Some Opinions .

Scripter · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:50 am

Jailbreak Opinions / Rules should be added ! : -
1. Random Warden Every Each Round . (show in scoreboard)
2. Stop talking over wardens !
3. Do Not Freeshot (Shoot the floor or shoot prisoners for no apparent reason)
4. For checking AFKs , Say for example "Jason , AFK check 5 4 3 2 1 then if he hasn't respond , just kill him after the order ONLY)
5. Knifing Range ! CTs that are in the range of Ts' knifing range is considered taunting , (CTs may not kill them)
6. Time should be added till 8:00 and CTs should give an order before 7:30 or it will be counted as freeday
7. Add Freeday (Every Map At Least Once a round)
8. Guard with no mics should be transferred to T (Mic is really needed)
9. Stop Giving Pardons , it's just a waste of time as they are already rebelling (might as well kill them already)
10. Favoritism is one of the most important problem .
11. Terrorists with LR should not kill CTs without the LR they are doing (follow ur LR , for example u said "gun toss" after u lost u just shoot the CT even when the CT won , this is wrong . Complete the Gun Toss Man)
12. Most Important problem , STOP TAUNTING ! (Do not purposely / want to go near the Ts to interupt them)
13. Terrorists who hold out their gun should be killed instantly

Jailbreak Bans/Gag/Kick/Slay: -
1. Taunting = slay first , if repeated then 30 Min Ban (CT)
2. Freeshooting = slay first , then kick , do not ban (CT)
3. No Mic = Transfer to T , If Reapeated , CTBAN for 1 DAY (CT)
4. Mic-Spamming/Spamming = Gag 10 Mins , if Repeated 20 , if reapted again 1 hour if again , ban 30 mins for being annoying

Anything that has already been added as rules then just ignore .

Siberiac · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:21 am

First, here's a list of the rules i'll be referencing http://elevatedgaming.net/forums/jbrules.php

Please note, i'm not super active in the community anymore, and just happen to be browsing the forums bored, any member etc. can correct me on anything i'm incorrect on here.

P.S. Terrorist = T = Prisoner; Counter-Terrorist = CT = Guard

Scripter wrote:

Jailbreak Opinions / Rules should be added ! : -
1. Random Warden Every Each Round . (show in scoreboard)
Sometimes CT's that are in the game don't want to be warden, and forcing them to be is ridiculous. If the warden died, we would also have to program it to choose a new warden,
and then we could end up with wardens who don't have mics before those who do.
2. Stop talking over wardens !
Rule 47: Admin's job to handle, typically a little banter is no problem, but will always be handled by administration. We've done automutes in the beginning before, but it's more hassle than it's worth in our server.
3. Do Not Freeshot (Shoot the floor or shoot prisoners for no apparent reason)
Rule 64: No free-shooting. This rule covers the shooting prisoners portion, but the shooting of the floor doesn't inhibit gameplay.
4. For checking AFKs , Say for example "Jason , AFK check 5 4 3 2 1 then if he hasn't respond , just kill him after the order ONLY)
Rule 55: No detours or delays is implied with every order. If a prisoner is not following the order, and everyone else has already completed the order, the prisoner is at that point delaying and can be killed. (Even if not everyone is done with the order it can be considered delaying, however I tend to give warnings if there are still some doing the order)
5. Knifing Range ! CTs that are in the range of Ts' knifing range is considered taunting , (CTs may not kill them)
Rule 44: You may legitimately kill/damage a guard when he is on your head. Rule 60: Do not stand near T's for extended periods of time. We used to have a rule about standing next to T's allows you to be knifed, but I believe it got removed and is now considered an "RP" issue, meaning it's punishable by team swap, not killing by T's. If a prisoner was allowed to kill a guard every time they got near them and pardoned, that would be a bad prison.
6. Time should be added till 8:00 and CTs should give an order before 7:30 or it will be counted as freeday.
The time of the round is the length that it is because it's long enough to kill all the guards/prisoners, without the people who are dead spending too much time out of game. Finding this balance is what's important. If the rounds aren't ending,
admins will instruct CT's to hurry the rounds up so we can get LRs.
7. Add Freeday (Every Map At Least Once a round)
Again, freedays aren't really fun for most involved, in our server it's just going to be a ct hide/get slaughtered day. Rule 16, however, does allow the highest ranking admin to grant a freeday on the first round if they would like.
8. Guard with no mics should be transferred to T (Mic is really needed)
Simple fact that we would end up with hardly any ct's, or bad ct's,
as we don't constantly have a population that could sustain this rule. Late nights or middays we have to take what we can get, and trying to set a rule for a specific time of day would be ridiculous to enforce.
9. Stop Giving Pardons , it's just a waste of time as they are already rebelling (might as well kill them already)
Again this comes down to RP. If you want to talk about wasting time we should go back to the freeday suggestions. If a warden sees fit that what a prisoner did wasn't so bad, they could pardon their mistakes and allow them to continue life as normal.
10. Favoritism is one of the most important problem .
Agreed, and it is addressed by rule 14.
11. Terrorists with LR should not kill CTs without the LR they are doing (follow ur LR , for example u said "gun toss" after u lost u just shoot the CT even when the CT won , this is wrong . Complete the Gun Toss Man)
Attempting to rebel is completely an LR, why would we set a rule,
and punish a prisoner for attempting to free themselves from the oppressive regime that is the counter-terrorists?
12. Most Important problem , STOP TAUNTING ! (Do not purposely / want to go near the Ts to interupt them)
Repeated point, Rule 60.
13. Terrorists who hold out their gun should be killed instantly
Rules 59 and 38 address this. If it is a primary they may be killed on the spot, if it's a secondary and not pointed at a guard, they have to be warned. They are not an immediate threat to life if they have a weapon that cannot 1-shot, and is not pointed at the guard.
Jailbreak Bans/Gag/Kick/Slay: -
1. Taunting = slay first , if repeated then 30 Min Ban (CT)
2. Freeshooting = slay first , then kick , do not ban (CT)
3. No Mic = Transfer to T , If Reapeated , CTBAN for 1 DAY (CT)
4. Mic-Spamming/Spamming = Gag 10 Mins , if Repeated 20 , if reapted again 1 hour if again , ban 30 mins for being annoying
I'm just going to address this as one big chunk of text. Our admins are set to follow the rules set by the community, and the rules in the server. Any other rules about how to specifically handle a situation is extremely tedious. Every situation is different, and every admin is different. We are all trained and able to decipher situations,
and determine the best method of action to diffuse it.

If you ever have a problem with someone being too harsh, make a complaint, if you ever have a problem with something being taken too lightly you can make a complaint about the admin in question (if it's something big that they just blew off such as racism, etc.) or you may submit a ban report with proof to attempt to get an answer here on the forums. The second option should be highly thought over though, as we don't take submit a bans lightly, and need all evidence possible and will not take action without you holding up your end of the burden of proof.

CharlieKelly · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:38 am

Some of my thoughts on these, as we do have admin meetings that vote on rules every 3 or 4 months, so keeping the discussion going is never a bad thing.

1. Eh, if someone doesn't want to be warden that round, we shouldn't force them, assuming there are other T's alive. Some aren't as good as others, and in a full server it would make it confusing, especially if every CT is paying 100% attention. It can be chaotic as it is now, but I find most people will share with others (there's usually 2 or 3 people on the CT that give orders primarly I find, so forcing them off is counter-productive to having a good CT team).
2. This is already a rule...
3. This is also a rule, although not explicitly stated. Guards should play their role, and that does not include "freeshooting". We had a rule like this, but it is really hard to enforce, and creates problems when crossfire happens, as technically we should slay them. We also have a rule "dont be an asshole", which freeshooting (aka, shooting someone for no reason) would fall under, though as I said, it's hard to know who shot who, and to enforce it as an admin. Record footage of someone, if they are doing it a lot, and report them.
4. Just unnecessary. Go spec if you are AFK. If not, well no detours / delays is implied, so if they are AFK, just shoot them. (most people check if someone is afk anyways, despite it not being a rule). This would just make more problems ("hey, he killed me and didn't check if I was afk!"). NO thank you
5. We sorta have this, with "Guards must play their role" and "Don't be near a T for no reason" (not verbatim). It would mean you couldn't run by some T's in a hallway, as they could "legally" knife you. I think our rules already cover this, as bad CT's should be getting swapped.
6. This has been discussed a lot, I am not a fan of increasing the time, but we had a vote last month on it, so it's possible to vote on it again (up to staffers really). As for automatic freeday, if you want to just run around a map, go play in a custom server. This is Jailbreak, not run around a map game.
7. I assume you mean one freeday a map, as once a round would mean it's always freeday. Like I said before, Freedays are kind of pointless, it just turns into a shitfest, and it's not jailbreak. (And we already allow freedays on the first round of each map)
8. This one could be up for debate, but as it is now, if no CT has a mic, they can give text commands. If they aren't playing their role, they wil be swapped with a T that wants to play CT properly. Really this is up to admins to ensure the CT's are playing their role, and that the teams are even (both are rules).
9. This is up for debate to me. If you kill a CT, why should they get a pardon? This kind of falls under play your role as a CT, but it's hardly ever enforced by admins. I don't think we should be able to give pardons, it's kind of like favouritsm.
10. It's hard to tell favouritsm, but our servers definition is among the lines of telling someone a math trivia answer before asking it, so they get LR every round. We already have no favourism rule, so talk to an admin if you believe someone is being discriminated for.
11. Eh, would be ok, but I like being able to try and kill every CT. If that's what I do with my last request, then so be it.
12. Again, CT's should be doing this. You should only be near a T if you have to run by them (in a small area) or are gun checking.
13. I like the way we have it. Primaries out means you can shoot them on site, but secondaries require them to be pointed at a CT. It gives the T's some leeway to rebel, while also adding some depth to the game.

As for punishments, it's up to the admin to determine the severity and reason for the infraction, as well as the punishment, which I find works quite well.

Feel free to continue discuss, it's always nice to have some thoughts from other people on the servers rules, and if you want to get involved even more and vote and put forward rules directly, apply, become a member, become an admin, and get people to understand why your ideas would be good for the server, both in terms of player retention, and rules that are easy to enforce, but also add depth.

edit: damn sib beat me to it.

Dyno · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:06 am

Scripter wrote:

Jailbreak Opinions / Rules should be added ! : -
1. Random Warden Every Each Round . (show in scoreboard)
A warden module/random warden every round, i disagree with this, as it wouldn't really be able to manage that well, with people going AFK/not wanting to warden.

4. For checking AFKs , Say for example "Jason , AFK check 5 4 3 2 1 then if he hasn't respond , just kill him after the order ONLY)
I think this is at the wardens descrection really, I do a AFK check at the start of every round, to make sure that they can get the time to type a repeat if an admin has accidently left everyone muted

5. Knifing Range ! CTs that are in the range of Ts' knifing range is considered taunting , (CTs may not kill them)
This is a hard one, I'll bring it up at the next meeting myself as something that should be reviewed, but for now, what Siberiac said is what is current.

6. Time should be added till 8:00 and CTs should give an order before 7:30 or it will be counted as freeday
Disagree with this completely. I think the time we have at the moment gives it a good balance as when we have rebellers they dont need to sit out the entire round. for even longer then 5 minutes or so.

7. Add Freeday (Every Map At Least Once a round)
Just to reclarify this, in the rules it states that the highest ranking admin online can grant a freeday during the first round of the map (his/her discretion) Also please note if there is no orders then the admins will swap people/slay CT's/follow their guidlnes/ooo (orders of operation) in regards to rule 47 (ensuring the round progresses) also there is no "Warden dead free day"

9. Stop Giving Pardons , it's just a waste of time as they are already rebelling (might as well kill them already)
This is at the wardens discretion, i think if it warrants a parden, then yes, if not then no. Sometimes they may have just run away to use the bathroom, or to have a quick dip in the pool before rejoining the rest.

13. Terrorists who hold out their gun should be killed instantly
Disagree with this, if they are gunplanted, and they have auto switch enabled, then a lot of T's would get killed for doing nothing wrong.

Jailbreak Bans/Gag/Kick/Slay: -
1. Taunting = slay first , if repeated then 30 Min Ban (CT)
2. Freeshooting = slay first , then kick , do not ban (CT)
3. No Mic = Transfer to T , If Reapeated , CTBAN for 1 DAY (CT)
4. Mic-Spamming/Spamming = Gag 10 Mins , if Repeated 20 , if reapted again 1 hour if again , ban 30 mins for being annoying
Admins have specific guidelines that they follow and with our NEW ct ban plugin, a 1 day ban is quite a long time, as that has to be 1 day connected to our servers (24 hours) which is unfair if they ONLY don't have a mic.

Anything that has already been added as rules then just ignore .

Siberiac · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:26 am

CharlieKelly wrote:

Some of my thoughts on these, as we do have admin meetings that vote on rules every 3 or 4 months, so keeping the discussion going is never a bad thing.

1. Eh, if someone doesn't want to be warden that round, we shouldn't force them, assuming there are other T's alive. Some aren't as good as others, and in a full server it would make it confusing, especially if every CT is paying 100% attention. It can be chaotic as it is now, but I find most people will share with others (there's usually 2 or 3 people on the CT that give orders primarly I find, so forcing them off is counter-productive to having a good CT team).
2. This is already a rule...
3. This is also a rule, although not explicitly stated. Guards should play their role, and that does not include "freeshooting". We had a rule like this, but it is really hard to enforce, and creates problems when crossfire happens, as technically we should slay them. We also have a rule "dont be an asshole", which freeshooting (aka, shooting someone for no reason) would fall under, though as I said, it's hard to know who shot who, and to enforce it as an admin. Record footage of someone, if they are doing it a lot, and report them.
4. Just unnecessary. Go spec if you are AFK. If not, well no detours / delays is implied, so if they are AFK, just shoot them. (most people check if someone is afk anyways, despite it not being a rule). This would just make more problems ("hey, he killed me and didn't check if I was afk!"). NO thank you
5. We sorta have this, with "Guards must play their role" and "Don't be near a T for no reason" (not verbatim). It would mean you couldn't run by some T's in a hallway, as they could "legally" knife you. I think our rules already cover this, as bad CT's should be getting swapped.
6. This has been discussed a lot, I am not a fan of increasing the time, but we had a vote last month on it, so it's possible to vote on it again (up to staffers really). As for automatic freeday, if you want to just run around a map, go play in a custom server. This is Jailbreak, not run around a map game.
7. I assume you mean one freeday a map, as once a round would mean it's always freeday. Like I said before, Freedays are kind of pointless, it just turns into a shitfest, and it's not jailbreak. (And we already allow freedays on the first round of each map)
8. This one could be up for debate, but as it is now, if no CT has a mic, they can give text commands. If they aren't playing their role, they wil be swapped with a T that wants to play CT properly. Really this is up to admins to ensure the CT's are playing their role, and that the teams are even (both are rules).
9. This is up for debate to me. If you kill a CT, why should they get a pardon? This kind of falls under play your role as a CT, but it's hardly ever enforced by admins. I don't think we should be able to give pardons, it's kind of like favouritsm.
10. It's hard to tell favouritsm, but our servers definition is among the lines of telling someone a math trivia answer before asking it, so they get LR every round. We already have no favourism rule, so talk to an admin if you believe someone is being discriminated for.
11. Eh, would be ok, but I like being able to try and kill every CT. If that's what I do with my last request, then so be it.
12. Again, CT's should be doing this. You should only be near a T if you have to run by them (in a small area) or are gun checking.
13. I like the way we have it. Primaries out means you can shoot them on site, but secondaries require them to be pointed at a CT. It gives the T's some leeway to rebel, while also adding some depth to the game.

As for punishments, it's up to the admin to determine the severity and reason for the infraction, as well as the punishment, which I find works quite well.

Feel free to continue discuss, it's always nice to have some thoughts from other people on the servers rules, and if you want to get involved even more and vote and put forward rules directly, apply, become a member, become an admin, and get people to understand why your ideas would be good for the server, both in terms of player retention, and rules that are easy to enforce, but also add depth.

edit: damn sib beat me to it.

Though i just skimmed your post, i feel like we're on the same page other than the pardon system (which we're not that far off on). I feel a lot better about being so out of the loop, but still connected xD

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Geeza · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:24 pm

Not that your opinions arent accepted or anything, id even like you to encourage sharing your opinions with us but we do have an admin guideline in place if you dont know

clanfaq.php

Try reading over this, some of your opinions/suggestions may already be a thing here

Scripter · **Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:06 pm

All right :D

Y S0 S3R10US · **Posted:** Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:11 am

Pretty much answered tbh

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