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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:24 pm 
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Cooper do you just wait til i post anything to try to troll me? Legit question, no thought crime.

Cooper did you read any part of inbreads post?

If you did then you just called inbread an asshole when he just told you what?

Two things, Cooper is not trolling you, he is putting in his opinion. As you said, Don't assume actions. Second thing he wasn't saying inbread is an ahole. Cause it's obvious to most cts that inbread wouldn't be abusing the rule. Again don't assume.
Lastly, to keep on topic, I use the warning rule when I have to. But most of the time I say something like, "mate come on don't do it again, we are trying to have fun here." Or something like that. And most of the time, the t listens and doesn't stuff up again. Depending on the player if ya warn them and ask them not to do it again they will listen.

Edit: and Jilly can you stop throwing around the term thought crime? It's obvious you don't know what it is, considering we don't live in a society where thought crimes exist. Unless you live in a totalitarian or orwellian state, in which case you wouldnt have access to the internet. So stop saying thought crime.
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Keep on topic and don’t attack others.. no need for insults.
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Can we stay on topic and not go after each other please?
Abusing the warning system would basically be like this...in my eyes:
A T does the order, heard no jumping being said and jumps.
U can explain it as mix delay or whatever. Now if that orders counts for whole round and he jumps on every new order that is being a smartass. Yes some people might have a thing and because of that they do stuff automatically.

This might sound harsh but that's not the warden or CT problem. If u get warned and then do it again a CT is allowed to kill u for it. U just need to have luck what CT catches u doing it.

Other way u know when people abuse it is when they instantly scream "where was my warning". Ussualy the people doing that are trolling and messing things up.
Of course not all of them but a fair share

Now please. Just stop targeting jiffy because he goes deep on rules and just stop insulting or going against each Other so hard. Even u jiffy. Not everything is meant as an insult
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:01 pm 
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jilly wrote:
Cooper do you just wait til i post anything to try to troll me? Legit question, no thought crime.

Cooper did you read any part of inbreads post?

If you did then you just called inbread an asshole when he just told you what?

Inbread cooper is telling you dont be an asshole about it. What is your reply lol...

I'm sorry I guess I just won't read anything you post anymore if that's what you want.

Anyways one last time since you don't understand.

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This can be easily abused.

Then turned into a thought crime.

Both of these statements are pretty much against the rules.

Abusing the warning rule is equal to rebelling such as if someone is abusing warnings to rebel or simply not do the order they can be killed for it. If you abuse the rule you die, it's pretty simple. If you aren't sure, it usually isn't going to be something worth killing someone over. If someone slightly moves or jumps, does it really effect the round that much? Like said multiple times in this thread, you CAN technically warn/kill someone for slight fuck ups but does it really matter? At that point the CT's just being an asshole.

If you have to say "It's thought crime if you don't warn me because you don't know what I am thinking" you are more than likely abusing the rule or being a smartass. You wouldn't have to worry about "thought crime" if you are genuinely doing the order or slightly messing up, the only people that would have to would be people trying to abuse the rule intentionally.

The whole reason the rule was created was to stop people from being nazis and ruining the fun by killing people who are making small mistakes, if the rule wasn't there the server would be a killfest. Imagine every single round being Math Trivia and Simon Says except its CT's killing people for making tiny mistakes and trying to trick T's with orders.

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20 Ts each getting a warning can legit happen.
10 Ts each getting a warning cant legit happen.
5 Ts each getting a warning can legit happen.

When does the ass part start and the legit warning begin.

For one this is a pretty big hypothetical, I don't think I've ever seen more than 5 people need a warning. Anyways, if that many people need one the warden probably isn't being clear enough and needs to repeat. If that many people actually need a warning, it's more than likely the warden's fault.

As for "When does the ass part start and the legit warning begin", it's pretty black and white. You can't be "half rebelling" and "half obeying", you are either doing one or the other. Is jumping once or slightly stepping to the side really rebelling or just a small mistake that doesn't really affect the round? There's a pretty obvious difference between a T ignoring the warden's orders and a T messing up slightly.

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Dont thought crime me. Every time I need a warning on a new order is legit and you cannot prove otherwise. Unless you psychic.

Because your opinion of me being an asshole or unnecessary is just that... an opinion nothing more.

This is specifically what I was referencing when I was talking about the "smartass mentality" of people who abuse the rule. Like I said, you wouldn't have to worry about any of these things if you weren't abusing the rule in the first place. It's the equivalent of someone coming on the server playing ear rape right away. You don't say "Let's give this guy a chance because he may have thought he wasn't breaking any rules". You know what you are trying to do, expect other people to know as well. "6 Acting like a smartass will get you banned!"

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Sarge killed him cause he thought inbread was being ass.
Inbread posts here cause he legit needed a warning.

Another conflict of your own set of rules.

Both players are correct.

They aren't both correct though, Sarge was an asshole for killing INBREAD for a small mistake. Does it really affect the way if INBREAD jumps occasionally? No, it doesn't.




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T's don't be a smart ass.
CT's don't be an asshole.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:23 pm 
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TLDR: Both players are correct is the answer.


Its clear cooper doesn't understand what he reads at this point. Im starting to wonder if English is your first language cooper? (no offense im actually serious here, would explain alot)


Inbreads first post counters coopers reply.


Inbread: "He warned me, then after he gave an order "rush to my spray and freeze on it" after a while on his spray once again I jumped. I have a habit of pressing space for some reason. it's all an accident thats the thing."


Cooper: "If you abuse the warning rule, you can be killed. It's usually pretty obvious if they person is abusing it, and if you arent sure then don't be an asshole about it."

1."If you abuse the warning rule, you can be killed."
2. Inbread made it very clear he had no intent to abuse the warning rule.

1."It's usually pretty obvious if they person is abusing it"
2. Thought crime. Sarge assumed Inbread was being an asshole. Infact he was not. And died because Sarge simply believed Inbread had the THOUGHT of being an ASSHOLE with the WARNING RULE.

1. "and if you arent sure then don't be an asshole about it."
2. Sarge or Inbread??? (doesnt matter) Inbread had no intent to be an asshole with warning rule. Sarge had no intent to be an asshole with warning rule when he killed Inbread.

Conflict of rules is complete.

Both players are correct.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:28 pm 
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jilly wrote:
TLDR: Both players are correct is the answer.


Its clear cooper doesn't understand what he reads at this point. Im starting to wonder if English is your first language cooper? (no offense im actually serious here, would explain alot)


Inbreads first post counters coopers reply.


Inbread: "He warned me, then after he gave an order "rush to my spray and freeze on it" after a while on his spray once again I jumped. I have a habit of pressing space for some reason. it's all an accident thats the thing."


Cooper: "If you abuse the warning rule, you can be killed. It's usually pretty obvious if they person is abusing it, and if you arent sure then don't be an asshole about it."

1."If you abuse the warning rule, you can be killed."
2. Inbread made it very clear he had no intent to abuse the warning rule.

1."It's usually pretty obvious if they person is abusing it"
2. Thought crime. Sarge assumed Inbread was being an asshole. Infact he was not. And died because Sarge simply believed Inbread had the THOUGHT of being an ASSHOLE with the WARNING RULE.

1. "and if you arent sure then don't be an asshole about it."
2. Sarge or Inbread??? (doesnt matter) Inbread had no intent to be an asshole with warning rule. Sarge had no intent to be an asshole with warning rule when he killed Inbread.

Conflict of rules is complete.

Both players are correct.

I'm done.

Back with the insults and selective reading.

I already explained why it isn't "thought crime" and how what you are describing is pretty much being a smartass. If you don't want to listen I'm not even gonna try.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:37 pm 
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I think there is an overall failure to understand one thing...

A very basic and core rule.

Do what warden says.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

If you are doing something else.... what does that make you?

A rebel.


It is a prison. Every map is a prison with jail cells.

Warden says walk and follow me.

Prisoner is jumping or bhoping.

Prisoner should die.

Simple.

Does that make you a nazi warden? Or does that make you a warden?






To cooper,

Ive explained as well. As simple as possible.
You cannot see black and white. Everything is wishy washy with you.
Every reply you give is just about gray opinion areas.
When the rules are either yes or no.


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Jiffy I have been on your side but u should just get forum banned for a day at this point. U have been told not to insult but u go again with "he doesn't understand what he reads".

Can't u just give 1 reply without targeting a person?
Sarge didn't make a mistake because he thought bread was being an asshole. He should have warned because it was a new order in which he didn't and should have slated. This didn't have anything to do with being asshole. Not directly at least. He should have warned instead and that's it
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*warden*: There's 1 rebeler in garage please get him
*INBREADCATS*: It's only 1 rebeler,what can he do......oh shit it's terminator i'm coming

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Ok you know what. I've had enough Jiffy. I've tried to be reasonable but you are pushing it. Stop targeting our members and stop insulting them. And staff+ can decide what to do with you because really you are either a troll or stuck up. I'm fed up.

Now I'm going to only say this once. THERE ARE NO FREAKING THOUGHT CRIMES ON JAIL BREAK. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A THOUGHT CRIME IS PROPERLY. Jailbreak is not totalitarian which is the only context where a thought crime can occur. If thought crimes were a thing then nearly every t would be shot straight away. Because I can assure you most ts want to kill the warden. We as a community actually allow leniency. Which totalitarian governments do not. so no Sarge did not commit a freaking thought crime. He merely did what most cts including myself do. He saw his previous behaviour and the behaviour inbread presented an acted on it. If a t tends to rebel more often I would be more cautious as they would likely do it again. So stop and I mean freaking stop talking about thought crimes just because you learnt the word yesterday. You have no idea how to use it.

Edit: I'm sorry this isn't on topic but I'm fed up with Jiffy.
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My first reply didnt target anyone Terminator. Go back take a look. Go look now.

It was only about the rules.

Then take alook under it. Its cooper replying and quoting my reply only.




COOPER: Sarge was an asshole for killing INBREAD for a small mistake.
TERMINATOR: Sarge didn't make a mistake because he thought bread was being an asshole.

How about you two explain it to each other then?

Clearly one of you are WRONG.

OR

I am RIGHT and both players are correct.

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