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That's one from goldgames saying it'll never be removed, and if you do a quick search for RTD you'll notice it's been a topic for debate ALOT

My point about the RTD is: You can spawn on a map, you have no knife, you get shot in the head because somebody was lucky enough to get a gun. Then you sit out the rest of the round. I understand the chances are even but they just ruin the gameplay.

It added fun for the person that got the good stuff and stomped on the rest. For those that get shitty ones (which is is like the rest) and keep getting them, makes the person/people not want to play and leave, which happened a lot.

Which we matter-of-factly have a rule against in JB.

The main problem I have with RTD is the fact that it ruins the entire point of several minigames.

It's hard to play a minigame that isn't supposed to have weapons when every round someone is getting a gun and shooting everyone.

It's hard to play a race/bhop/long jump fairly when someone gets speedboost/lowgrav.

It's hard to play mg_ka_trains_detach when someone has a gun and is shooting everyone, or has lowgrav and is jumping around so no one can hit them, or has a health boost so that despite your best efforts, you're not going to be able to kill them.

A minigame map is meant to be played as a minigame, not played with a whole bunch of added crap that the minigame isn't supposed to have. A lot of the people that used to play MG enjoyed it because it was actually minigames, not "I hope I get a gun in RTD so I can ruin everyone else's fun!!!"

I personally think (And no, there is no evidence to this, just speculation) that if we were to remove RTD the population on our MG server would increase because we wouldn't be losing randoms that just joined to some lucky person who got a gun and shot the new person first.

[spoiler]Not the first time we've had a vote for this. I still strongly believe the plugin should be removed because it infringes on the purpose of a minigames server. Minigames maps are created by their authors in the way they're meant to be played, and just in that way. A minigames map author does not create their maps with the intention of a game-altering mod/plugin to be implemented into the map. RTD is constantly causing issues on maps because it gives unfair advantages to players and alters the intended gameplay of these maps.

For example: Say you're playing a map such as Lego Smash. For anyone who doesn't know or doesn't play minigames, this map spawns both teams with no weapons. You're standing on platforms and a "cannon" in the middle of the map that launches blocks randomly into the air, coming down and knocking over the platforms. Your goal is to survive the destruction of the map until the timer runs down, where you are teleported to a competitive minigame to kill any surviving enemies. This map is intended to be played without weapons. Rolling an RTD can give you a weapon, be it a gun or knife, and can entirely ruin the map. You can very easily run around and kill every enemy simply because you have weapon and they don't. This map isn't meant to be played in that manner, and thus it breaks the minigame.

Another example would be multigames/course maps. Simply rolling something such as low gravity or speed can give you the unfair advantage to quickly sprint/float through the map ahead of everyone else. The intent of the map or course was a fair race, but because you got that RTD, the maps intention has been broken and you've unfairly won the round. It's aggravating, and boils minigames away from being a fair and fun experience based around players skill and moves it towards a game of randomness or luck. Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure we have a rule on our JB server that prohibits CTs from playing games based on randomness or luck, so why let that extend here?

Another large issue is RTDs such as "full gear," giving whomever rolled it a HE grenade, two flashbangs, a smoke grenade, a knife, and full armor. The issue with the knife has already been mentioned, and the HE grenade can be included into that, especially on a map that alters player's health by lowering it. The flashbangs and smokes will often ruin a round of a game because it annoyingly impairs everyone in the game. I'm about 100% sure that the person who made that jump rope on multigames didn't intend their players to be playing jump rope with a blindfold.

Minigames should be more about playing the minigame map itself and using one's skill to do well at said map. The server should not be based around your luck at randomly receiving a RTD that guarantees you a win at whatever you happen to be playing.

Also RTD ruins the point of multimap minigames because people just get guns and kill everyone. Highly recommend editing RTD or just getting a better version overall.

Hello everybody. I've taken a long break but within the next month or so, updates will be made. RTD is going to be gone permanently, too many complaints. I've yet to see even one person vouch for it besides myself.

Rtd sucks dick