I'm assuming you aren't very familiar with how the game works.

Whats In The Box?:
1. The warden types a category(s) at the very start of the game in CT chat.
2. The warden goes along the line and asks T's for a response.
3. If the T's respond with something in the category the die, if not they live.

This isn't against the rules because the warden already predetermined the category before the game started and all T's have the same categories.

The only way you could argue this game is against the rules is if you said it was favoritism because T's who asked later on in the game were able to figure out what the category was before it was their turn to answer. Usually, the warden asks the T's in a systematic manner though (in order of the line or the scoreboard) so I think it is fair since he isn't picking the T"s in any random order and they still technically had some control in where they were in the order.

Like I said before though I don't think it is a good idea to have very specific restrictions and rules on games though because most are already covered by the rules, and when playing them it should be assumed that they are playing in accordance to the rules. If you get really nitpicky about any games you will find some sort of problem with it because no game is perfect, but in most cases, the problems are so minute that it's really better to just enjoy the game and not worry about them. If an admin notices a game is breaking the rules, they are supposed to handle it already anyways.

Jilly. To answer your question...
I believe the answer is 1 and 2 and 3.
It can be based on skill. For example dodgeball or soccer.

In those cases u need to know how to work with the balls and try avoid them or score a goal. U need some skill to do so and win. So any game that requires a person to be able to do something would be fair. Other example is parkour.
As long as is proven that it is possible it is fair.
For example if u say "jump from this diving board and land on the green railing and u do it. It is fair and they have to do it.
The order of the Rd wouldn't matter here since they all got a fair chance of do it so since u need some skills to be able to do so..


Now u can also have games that are luck based and those are fair too. In example 4 corners .
The Ts chose a corner and hope it is not theirs.
Basically the only rule for such games is that the CTs may not have ANY saying in who dies. Ts must chose a corner or place on their own and that Cuts may not be able to determine what corner dies.

Exceptions here are if the CT presses a corner/place in advance and let's the Ts go chose 1 afterwards. U could claim favouritism but again. This can be done with any game and most CTs prefer the kills. Examples of this is the box game. Warden gives boxes a number and choses 1 to die and Ts go in after he chose a box in CT chat.

Now for last u got skill AND luck based.
This basically comes down to the skill games but u also need a little luck with it. Examples that u could say are deathcrate .

Yes u need skill to avoid the crate but if you are unlucky the box makes a 180 and comes right at u and U have no chance to escape. It sucks when it happens but that is where the luck part comes in.

I hope this kind of answered your questions

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we all have different lifes, different problems and different paths to take.....
but what we all wonder is: would they be proud of who i am today?

Princess Strawberry: "HEY, i know everything about Denmark , OK?
Princess Strawberry: "what kind of waffles do they eat in Denmark?"
Princess Strawberry: "OH WAIT SHIT THAT'S BELGIUM"

<16:59:31> "Eclipzx_" was banned for 10 minutes from the server by "GoopSauce" (pussy much?)

*warden*: There's 1 rebeler in garage please get him
*INBREADCATS*: It's only 1 rebeler,what can he do......oh shit it's terminator i'm coming

reboobalar: "term this is your warning because i know you're just gonna rebel"
reboobalar: "fuck this, im not going to be Ct with Term on their team"

You know how to play it cooper. That is the first time ive heard of the game. And by heard it... I didnt hear it. Never got a repeat over all the constant mic spamming shots firing. Just heard pick a veggie or something. But whatever, that is not the actual game.


Now for the game. Favoritism to the last T again. First T would have the worst chance cause the first T is ALL LUCK. No skill because there is no previous data to try to make a skill guess for the first T. You pointed this out YOURSELF!

YOU and THIS GAME are telling me I can create a game that is LUCK only. Because the first T was only based on LUCK nothing else.
Or are you telling me the first T doesnt matter and they can wait 7mins because of random bad LUCK of start order? More luck...just bad.


And speaking of a Luck only game.
Ive seen several games like this one played:

Pick what im eating: Food A or Food B.
One gets the T killed the other does not.
Then we change what food it is and repeat.

Food C or Food D
Food E or Food F

Heres a demo of it being played.
It can also be played with weapons and ive seen that played recently to it goes the same way:

1.All Ts face wall.
2.Guess if im holding primary or 2ndary.
3.If wrong you die.
4.Warden changes or doesnt change the gun they holding.
5. Repeat.

Same exact game. All LUCK. Sure warden could be nice and leave it on the same gun. But he usally doesnt. And if he did it wouldnt matter. The first T still worst chance because its ALL LUCK FOR THE FIRST T.

May as well just flip a coin.

And cooper (others as well) I already know your gonna say. "its not all luck because ____". -Then im going to come on here counter your point entirely. And your gonna call me nit picky / spam / stupid / bann, something else.

Debates arent won by ignoring facts. They are won on facts. Facts that are true.


For that first T in the demo you just saw. IT WAS ALL LUCK. He had no previous data to go off of and his place in line was random. 0 skill. 100 luck.
The 2nd T the 3rd the 4th. They get BOTH SKILL AND LUCK. Which just increases as we go down the line for that game.
And you just Agreed this game is a valid player created game. YOU AGREED NOT ME. YOU.

And for the two games i just listed above they are ALL LUCK. You have an exact 50/50 chance. 0 skill. Nothing else is added.

For the demo you just watched and your reply- the only time you started being right was:
Your argument would only be valid for= the 2nd T cause he could at least have 1 piece of previous data to add any SKILL at ALL.

Now you talk about favoritism etc. Sure the random order *can* prevent that. And thats okay.

That wont change that FACT that YOU agree:*** a valid player created game can be based only on LUCK. *** As Ive just shown you in demo and chat above. You have just agreed its a valid game as well.

With that said.... onto the next demo and game. This one is even more luck based then the last.


Cooper (everyone really) take a look at this demo about the pick a food game/ what am i holding game/. (just call this flip a coin) Cause that is really what this game is trying to hide under- with warden covering/protecting himself from rules.

Dont forget. For that first T in: "whats in the box game" it was ALL LUCK for him.
This "flip a coin game" is only different because NOW everyone is that first T with ONLY LUCK.


Please answer in your reply these questions about the demo:

1. Is this a valid player created game for the server?
2. Is this game ALL LUCK BASED? (or have i missed some skill aspect?)

Thanks!



(HunterX848" [U:1:72354902]) (incase we need it)

You keep jumping from point to point I don’t think you yourself even understand what you are arguing for at this point.

All I’m really gonna say is luck based games ARE allowed if all the T’s have a fair chance of winning. They were able to pick in which spot they went to when they lined up in, or they got more kills to put themselves higher up on the leaderboard. As long as the warden isn’t picking and choosing who goes when, the game is fair because the T’s were given their opportunity based on some sort of choice or something of their own doing. It’s no different than them picking a side in roulette if you really think about it, they have some sort of desicion which may determine their outcome in the game.

I think you may also have this jumbled up with opiniated games which are refusable because the warden pretty much can pick who they want to die and not. If the warden picks the “correct” answer and puts it in CT chat before asking he is allowed to play the game.

I can agree that the first T has 100% luck to either live or die with what's in the box. But things like this could easily been avoided by doing a simple trivia to pick who goes first.
(Personally I don't play these games because it's only chance and pretty kill hungry) so try and ask the warden to do a trivia to see who goes first so that it isn't 100% luck. If he doesn't want to u can try am admin. But it is still an iffy game since the T choses his thug in the box making it his choice wether or not he dies. BUT A STAFF SHOULD PROBABLY DECIDE ON THIS ONE
So if staff would react on that first T would be amazing because I got to admit it is a little iffy.

Now for the "what did I eat or what am I holding" game it depends wether or not the warden typed the correct answer in CT chat or not.
IF he didn't then u can refuse the game since he would be able to call a random answer depending on the people that stand on it. If he did type his answer in CT chat I would say it is like roulette pitt. U chose a side and u have a 50% chance of getting killed. Same goes for price trivia if you ever wondered.


For the game "am I holding a primary or secondary" I never made it a secret that I am 100% against that game because it is just kill hungry. It is technically a fair game i believe since u have an equal chanc eof guessing the right weapon but then again ut is only a 50-33% chance dependig on wether or not the warden brings melee in it aswell. Some might even trow nade in there.but it just kills 80% of the Ts without any fun to it.
At least in roulette pitt or what's in the box u have some sort of "fun" by it friends going in 1 side and u in the other after which u could say "haha I told u" or whatever and the box since u can hear some messed up funny things.
But some people will say that's the same with primary or secondary but it's just personal and I'm fully against that game. So u should probably ask somebody else unless u are satisfied with my explanation and view on the games

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rebeler since february 2016

we all have different lifes, different problems and different paths to take.....
but what we all wonder is: would they be proud of who i am today?

Princess Strawberry: "HEY, i know everything about Denmark , OK?
Princess Strawberry: "what kind of waffles do they eat in Denmark?"
Princess Strawberry: "OH WAIT SHIT THAT'S BELGIUM"

<16:59:31> "Eclipzx_" was banned for 10 minutes from the server by "GoopSauce" (pussy much?)

*warden*: There's 1 rebeler in garage please get him
*INBREADCATS*: It's only 1 rebeler,what can he do......oh shit it's terminator i'm coming

reboobalar: "term this is your warning because i know you're just gonna rebel"
reboobalar: "fuck this, im not going to be Ct with Term on their team"

I will try to make this even more simple but I doubt itll do much good since I seem to be flying over peoples heads constantly...

Cooper said: "This isn't against the rules because the warden already predetermined the category before the game started and all T's have the same categories."



Terrorist team lines up and in order that they go: (cooper you are lucky and go first!) (actually unlucky)

Warden says we playing the "whats in box" game!
Warden types out 9 of the 10 possible categories in CT chat that will be killed if answered in that category. (this gives you cooper a nice 9 in 10 chance to DIE cooper)

Cooper goes first cause the line randomly started with him. (so lucky!)

1.Cooper answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS OFF) (0% SKILL 100% LUCK)

2.SirPatrick answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON!) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. ) (SKILL is NOW in PLAY!)

3.Bob answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
4.Donald Trump answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
5.Pizzaface answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0.)
6.Derp Kid answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
7.Shitter answers out a kill category. And is now dead. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
8.Max answers out a live category. Player alive. (SKILL IS ON) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
9.Jessica answers out a live category. Player alive. (SKILL IS ON) (SKILL BONUS ON!) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )
10.Jilly answers out a live category. Player alive. (SKILL IS ON) (SKILL BONUS ON!) (? SKILL ? LUCK) Both greater then 0. )


Cooper youve told us this game is valid. Which means we may create luck only based games.
Did you see how you died first based only on luck in both the game being played AND the random start order of line? Man you got so UNLUCKY! Sucks I know! Just wait 7 or 8mins for round to finish...

But wait... if your the ONLY T that had to play without ANY SKILL.... isnt that kinda sorting you into favoritism or disadvanatge? I mean the rest of us got that nice skill turned ON and O HELL I even got a SKILL BONUS TURNED ON!!! Nice... for me.

Cooper you say the game is good and valid. Which means we dont need the SKILL part at all if one T can play like you did in this game.
You ONLY played with LUCK, and its still a valid game. So we could ALL play a GAME that is ONLY LUCK. I know one!

This game is called "coin flip" or "what am i holding" or whatever just add a name here.

1. Have Ts pick between two different answers.
2. One of the two answers gets you killed.
3. Randomly change the answers on each T.

0% Skill 100% Luck

Game complete.

This game is valid and playable.

Okay Term thanks, (everyone really) just cant reply to each of your things even if I agree or disagree way too many of you.

Terminator you are saying we can play %100 luck based, player created games then. (yes you dont like it but technically its allowed) Did you see my demo of the food game by chance term? Straight 50 / 50 chance. Prolly the best example of this. I could make a demo of me flipping a coin in real life and saying results in CT chat. And then run it straight down T line to legally kill ALL the Ts. Sure 1 could live after I repeat it over and over but thats only a %50 chance haha!

Ill wait for a reply from cooper as well to my last reply to him. Its late.

Technically it is allowed. Not really anything u can do against it other than try and change it in admin meetings or try convince staff+ and enough players to back it up.
Nice that u putt in so much effort tho. Makes it have a bigger chance to succeed yet it all comes down to the "don't be an asshole" and "play your role as a CT" in my opinion.
I can see that people would play those chance games once or twice in an entire map like razor. Maps like razor don't have any games besides soccer or pool and in cases like that I can see why they play such games and that's fine for a round or 2 over the course of the whole map.
But when they start doing games like that every round it starts to be more and more like being an asshole and not playing your role (in my view atleast).

The same Ts will die over and over and won't have any fun playing and ,as I said before, it is just kill hungry to play a 50/50 game every round. The CTs should keep the rounds entertaining and fun as well as different. Might be hard on maps like razor but that's when u come in with originality and just play 1 day pool other day soccer other day parkour and so on....

Now when this happens on maps like spyvspy I would just say they shouldn't be doing it since u have plenty of map games that can be played and there is no need for a 50/50 chance to die game.
Of course it could be played if everybody actually would have fun with it but that depends on the people online and playing at that moment.

Probably not the answer u wanted but a handy advice:
Go CT and show the others that I can have fun without playing all those 50/50 chance based games.
Eventually every change starts with yourself.

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rebeler since february 2016

we all have different lifes, different problems and different paths to take.....
but what we all wonder is: would they be proud of who i am today?

Princess Strawberry: "HEY, i know everything about Denmark , OK?
Princess Strawberry: "what kind of waffles do they eat in Denmark?"
Princess Strawberry: "OH WAIT SHIT THAT'S BELGIUM"

<16:59:31> "Eclipzx_" was banned for 10 minutes from the server by "GoopSauce" (pussy much?)

*warden*: There's 1 rebeler in garage please get him
*INBREADCATS*: It's only 1 rebeler,what can he do......oh shit it's terminator i'm coming

reboobalar: "term this is your warning because i know you're just gonna rebel"
reboobalar: "fuck this, im not going to be Ct with Term on their team"

I don't really have anything to add but I have a quick question; why do you keep calling the AWP an "opt"?

Maybe you should just DM a staff and stop shit posting.