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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:09 am 
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My safe space has been violated. Can I bring my safe space llama into the JB server?
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 pm 
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My safe space has been violated. Can I bring my safe space llama into the JB server?

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I wasn't gonna weigh in on this thread at all and I'm not here to start arguments or make people angry. But I feel like I need to say something. We as a community are indeed being divided. Not just between us as members but between Staff and members as well. The lack of communication between people is really disturbing. It seems to me (and simplistic touched on this a little, don't screech at me if I'm repeating.) That everyone has their separate cliques and channels they do indeed hang out in where they form like minded ideas on how things should be. This is a form of separation. Yes we bought those channels and we chose to stay in those cliques but we're separating ourselves in favor for people who are like minded or we like better. We should be encouraging more people to want to be around us and communicate better to reach our goal of a better community not just be around members who think like us. I feel like ranks do this as well. You're giving people ranks that set them up to a certain status quo to be held to higher or lower values of one another. This in turn causes anger and jealousy and ill-feelings when ranks can do things over others or people can get away with more things because of it. I'm not saying get rid of it, it's been around longer than me and so far has seemed to work but its just food for thought. I don't agree with any kind of censorship period, this is the internet its supposed to be censorship free. I agree with a lot of the people in this thread saying how the idea of the separation was being presented was wrong and in a negative light. There are more helpful ways to go about bringing opinions then screaming about it in chatbox. However, Staff could also have simply asked for you to stop or had a one on one conversation before deleting or editing comments. But this brings me back to my biggest issue. I don't like the way Goldgames left the staff team but he brought up one important topic that has been on my mind since he stepped down. Why do Staff feel the need to hide things from us like we can't handle it? Why are there so many things that are hidden from us that we're not allowed to know about simply because they believe we are children that can't handle the truth? I saw Bri say she talks to staff regularly and communicates with them to fix problems. I applaud that. But why does it take only certain individuals to approach staff to fix things? Why are Staff not completely more open to come to us or communicate with us about whats going on or tell us things. DJ and I had a conversation recently about this and he suggested that we have a staff day where we all come in and speak to staff and they explain their roles and what exactly they do so they're not shrouded in mystery. If the mysticism behind the staff was gone or the gap between them and us as members would be bridged I feel it would help our problems tenfold. Then we can avoid things like censoring because the line of communication would be completely open.
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I wasn't gonna weigh in on this thread at all and I'm not here to start arguments or make people angry. But I feel like I need to say something. We as a community are indeed being divided. Not just between us as members but between Staff and members as well. The lack of communication between people is really disturbing. It seems to me (and simplistic touched on this a little, don't screech at me if I'm repeating.) That everyone has their separate cliques and channels they do indeed hang out in where they form like minded ideas on how things should be. This is a form of separation. Yes we bought those channels and we chose to stay in those cliques but we're separating ourselves in favor for people who are like minded or we like better. We should be encouraging more people to want to be around us and communicate better to reach our goal of a better community not just be around members who think like us. I feel like ranks do this as well. You're giving people ranks that set them up to a certain status quo to be held to higher or lower values of one another. This in turn causes anger and jealousy and ill-feelings when ranks can do things over others or people can get away with more things because of it. I'm not saying get rid of it, it's been around longer than me and so far has seemed to work but its just food for thought. I don't agree with any kind of censorship period, this is the internet its supposed to be censorship free. I agree with a lot of the people in this thread saying how the idea of the separation was being presented was wrong and in a negative light. There are more helpful ways to go about bringing opinions then screaming about it in chatbox. However, Staff could also have simply asked for you to stop or had a one on one conversation before deleting or editing comments. But this brings me back to my biggest issue. I don't like the way Goldgames left the staff team but he brought up one important topic that has been on my mind since he stepped down. Why do Staff feel the need to hide things from us like we can't handle it? Why are there so many things that are hidden from us that we're not allowed to know about simply because they believe we are children that can't handle the truth? I saw Bri say she talks to staff regularly and communicates with them to fix problems. I applaud that. But why does it take only certain individuals to approach staff to fix things? Why are Staff not completely more open to come to us or communicate with us about whats going on or tell us things. DJ and I had a conversation recently about this and he suggested that we have a staff day where we all come in and speak to staff and they explain their roles and what exactly they do so they're not shrouded in mystery. If the mysticism behind the staff was gone or the gap between them and us as members would be bridged I feel it would help our problems tenfold. Then we can avoid things like censoring because the line of communication would be completely open.


Nice post but I disagree with the fact we are hiding things from you, you aren’t missing out on much. FYI.
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Just to be clear i said im up for open discussions on egn matters like what was being discussed on pro hops topic but in a calm, respectful, and rational way. I think many people have not acted in such a manner there and should try harder to do so as well as encourage staff+ to enforce them so it doesn't become too heated like it has gotten. I have said this many times but will keep saying it, topics should not be locked just because people are being disrespectful or breaking the rules. The people who break the rules or get overly emotional should be the ones punished (i.e. warn/ban)

To term: any opinions that express staff in a bad light or say they are leadership problems or the community is going to split have been the ones being deleted. But more importantly threads discussing matters in egn where not everyone agrees with eachother are always locked instead of being properly moderated so no one can express or understand eachother opinions. Normally a thread like this would already be locked and i would not have been able to see your question or provide my response and that is what i want to change.

To tricky: first off it shouldn't be up to you to tell us whether or not what we are missing is important as only we can make that decision for ourselves. And secondly, its not just about whats deleted, its about whats locked (read the response to term or the first post for clarification)
I think we should be allowed ro discuss anything in a respectful, calm, and rational way without being denied a platform to do so. Anyone who does not do it in that manner is already breaking the rules and should be published accordingly instead of just locking the thread for everyone else.
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Simplisitic WHAT CENSORSHIP ARE YOU REFERRING TOO?


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Simplisitic WHAT CENSORSHIP ARE YOU REFERRING TOO?

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Examples have also already been quoted in bri's post.
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I told myself I wasn't going get involved in this (on the forums at least) but I can speak for myself

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=29627
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29488
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24632
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24153
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24142
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=23719
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=24761
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26897 <- best example
(I didn't re-read most of these btw)

just examples I found in a 30 second search on myself. I'm sure there's more dirt. I've hidden nothing and I'm an Advisor. You allege higher ranks wave their dicks on their lower ranks, and I can assure you that I wouldn't let the Staff hide it even if they wanted to, so yes, I suppose I do wave my dick around in that regard. I'm not trying to stir the pot, and I refuse to give my opinion until Saturday when we talk it all out, but these are some facts y'all.

Again, show up on Saturday so we can talk. And I'm not even saying y'all talk to me, I'm saying talk to each other and I'll be there to weigh in. Questions for me, I'll answer them. I would hope my reputation could speak for itself in saying I will give you honest answers and if not I will tell you as such. If you don't like hearing "I can't tell you that" so much then we'll see how many times I say it. And if that's the case then we'll see what to do about it. It's y'alls community after all, you do pay for it.
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I told myself I wasn't going get involved in this (on the forums at least) but I can speak for myself

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=29627
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29488
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24632
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24153
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24142
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=23719
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=24761
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=26897 <- best example
(I didn't re-read most of these btw)

just examples I found in a 30 second search on myself. I'm sure there's more dirt. I've hidden nothing and I'm an Advisor. You allege higher ranks wave their dicks on their lower ranks, and I can assure you that I wouldn't let the Staff hide it even if they wanted to, so yes, I suppose I do wave my dick around in that regard. I'm not trying to stir the pot, and I refuse to give my opinion until Saturday when we talk it all out, but these are some facts y'all.

Again, show up on Saturday so we can talk. And I'm not even saying y'all talk to me, I'm saying talk to each other and I'll be there to weigh in. Questions for me, I'll answer them. I would hope my reputation could speak for itself in saying I will give you honest answers and if not I will tell you as such. If you don't like hearing "I can't tell you that" so much then we'll see how many times I say it. And if that's the case then we'll see what to do about it. It's y'alls community after all, you do pay for it.

I dont know what your responding too and dont understand the point your trying to get across. Please explain a bit more
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