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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:22 pm 
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What was censored?


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:08 pm 
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Nice try but not really. Its commentary on your position or rather lack of one. You can't take the high horse if you don't like what Koolaid has to say. I thought your whole issue was about not letting others say what they have to say no matter what? But yet you act differently.....


It's not about taking the high horse, it's about not being an inconsiderate asshole. We encourage people to speak their mind, as long as they do so in a constructive and non-toxic manner. These are the way the rules have been for years, and using mental illnesses as cheap insults is not only lazy but works against the rules this community has established and enforced for almost a decade. You can do better. That's all Bri was saying.

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If you get an actual answer, I assume it will be something that either breaks forum roles or passive-aggressively skirts the rules to make some sort of vague point.
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i mean he's right


Is he right because you've stepped down? Would you still be fighting as hard as you are now if you still were staff?

Well no, not entirely, he'd still be right even if i were Staff. I'd just not make it as straightforward.

It's because I was Staff to know he's right. Also, no it's not the reason i stepped down neither is it realistically capable of happening / changing.

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Cuz i have to say, im not a huge fan of all this shadow censorship with and without explanation.
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Shadow-censorship is a way to control information by secretly limiting or obscuring the ways that people can access it. Rather than outright banning or removing problematic communications, shadow-censors can instead wall off social-media posts or users in inaccessible obscurity without the target's knowledge.

Also related to online communities. This is widely accurate. I won't say in what ways because it's not my place to do so.

Majority of members / higher ups will say it's for the best but really only to an extent it is.

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Also not being able to have my voice heard or hear other ppl's opinions on half the stuff that goes on here because apparently we are all children who need to be kept safe from other peoples words is a pretty big bummer too.

Again, this is something that probably needs the most work within the community, just telling you straight up that majority of your suggestions, concerns, inquiries about the clan said to Staff with a response of "we'll definitely check it out", "don't worry it'll get done" or "great suggestion" will either get shelved to the side, deferred for a remaining week or so, and simply just not cared for. There's very poor communication made between those two positions, those who are Staff+ and those who are members of the community. Those who are held in power, and those who really only have the power to propose change with the likelihood of being ignored.

I won't tell you how many times I got the message "____ hasn't responded so i had to message you" or "i suggested / told this to ____ weeks ago but nothing has yet to happen"

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Every time i see that shit happening it just means a egn's gonna get further divided and the group a has less powerful ppl on it will feel jaded and leave while the other side will laugh say they won and call the ppl who left toxic and trolls anyway.

Further divided meaning just little click groups everywhere, does't mean EGN's gunna fall apart / die for those who said that.

But yea, those who are closer / more familiar with Staff normally have more say & more power of what's done around here if I'm being completely honest.

I won't say that EGN's Staff team or even the community has poor management or even nearly that, think they / we all have potential. It's just the matter of reaching that point. Unfortunate as it is, it's sorta always been this way, more practical / realistic especially in a community similar to this where majority of our members are brought from a game / server that is built around not taking much into consideration in regards to what's serious or not? If that sorta makes sense.

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Im not saying you're always a troll and I've never said you haven't done anything for the clan.
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You don't want to be treated like a troll or shitposter? Stop constantly being one. I think I've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months and thats it. You want respect you have to earn it.

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Needy wrote:
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Im not saying you're always a troll and I've never said you haven't done anything for the clan.
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You don't want to be treated like a troll or shitposter? Stop constantly being one. I think I've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months and thats it. You want respect you have to earn it.

:/


Those two statements don't conflict with each other.
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Birthstone wrote:
Needy wrote:
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Im not saying you're always a troll and I've never said you haven't done anything for the clan.
BriBee wrote:
You don't want to be treated like a troll or shitposter? Stop constantly being one. I think I've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months and thats it. You want respect you have to earn it.

:/


Those two statements don't conflict with each other.

"im not saying you're always a troll"
"stop constantly being one, i think i've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months"

"im not saying you're always a troll"
seems pretty counteractive to me
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Needy wrote:
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Im not saying you're always a troll and I've never said you haven't done anything for the clan.
BriBee wrote:
You don't want to be treated like a troll or shitposter? Stop constantly being one. I think I've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months and thats it. You want respect you have to earn it.

:/


Those two statements don't conflict with each other.

"im not saying you're always a troll"
"stop constantly being one, i think i've seen you be serious maybe twice in the past 10 months"

"im not saying you're always a troll"
seems pretty counteractive to me


Well, she's not. She's saying he's almost always a troll.
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Im not saying there should be an area without rules, far from it. I think this thread is a good example of why rules are important as insults and off topic posts just take away from the topic. However there are people who also wish to have a real discussion like needy and bri are and even tho they disagree they can still be civil. I only ask that the rules be enforced on those who break them rather than shutting down the talk because we should be treated like kids who are incapable.

To matt: i appreciate the your openness to talk and will msg you at some point however i feel its also important for members to be able to discuss things directly with eachother so we can at least understand their concerns as well before we decide what should happen.one meeting a month is not enough and just bottles up feeling until both sides hate eachother.

To grim: why on earth would it be unmoderated? Why.

To bri: im not a troll, i've never been a troll, when im playing a game im playing a game when im having an importantdiscussion im serious. Same as how i admin, and that has not changed. Idk what i did to make you think i was a troll but it does't matter, you dont have to take me seriously but the least you could do is address my points in an honest and constructive way rather than calling me names and ignoring the point. If you think i am a troll and im just here to waste your time then your free to not take part in this talk.

Like i said in the start, im not here to cause needless problems, but if we ignore eachother and the problems they will only get worse. At least if if you understand the other sides position you might be able to respectit even if you disagree.
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Im not saying there should be an area without rules, far from it. I think this thread is a good example of why rules are important as insults and off topic posts just take away from the topic. However there are people who also wish to have a real discussion like needy and bri are and even tho they disagree they can still be civil. I only ask that the rules be enforced on those who break them rather than shutting down the talk because we should be treated like kids who are incapable.

To matt: i appreciate the your openness to talk and will msg you at some point however i feel its also important for members to be able to discuss things directly with eachother so we can at least understand their concerns as well before we decide what should happen.one meeting a month is not enough and just bottles up feeling until both sides hate eachother.

To grim: why on earth would it be unmoderated? Why.

To bri: im not a troll, i've never been a troll, when im playing a game im playing a game when im having an importantdiscussion im serious. Same as how i admin, and that has not changed. Idk what i did to make you think i was a troll but it does't matter, you dont have to take me seriously but the least you could do is address my points in an honest and constructive way rather than calling me names and ignoring the point. If you think i am a troll and im just here to waste your time then your free to not take part in this talk.

Like i said in the start, im not here to cause needless problems, but if we ignore eachother and the problems they will only get worse. At least if if you understand the other sides position you might be able to respectit even if you disagree.



Don't mean to be the stupid guy here....
But in last 2 paragraphs I talk about a dressing a point in an honest and constructive way and that i are not here to cause problems and stuff and that if we ignore each other the problems will get worse.

Well please... instead of just ask if why and when and if there will be a forum to discuss everything what u wanna discuss

Just look around the forums... there are plenty of forums where u can post ideas about games,real life,news feed, trick shots, random stuff... HELL even about changes to the forum and servers.
So I think for u to come here and complain about u not having a way to talk about stuff and voice your opinion is pretty unnesecary...
And yes u can't say whatever u want....that's because of the rules u would also want in your "forum to discuss what we want".
And before u go on about that it isn't the same or whatever answer this so we can go back to the origin of this drama


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Now if u would be so kind to provide EVERYBODY with your exact comment so we can all see and judge for ourselves what we think of it instead of talking about shit most of us don't even know about.

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