Hey everyone!

I'm making this thread to bring up what I think is a bit confusing about simon says, that is when simon says to crouch, 360, whatever and then the next order that follows is simon says freeze. By definition on freeze you CAN be crouched, looking around, flashing flashlight, etc. Then by that logic any prior simon says order must be invalid and a T MAY just stand there looking at warden. Therefore, any kills on a T just standing in my opinion based off the definition of "freeze" is a freekill.

I'd like to get some input from others and particularly staff. If my opinion is not what ends up being how simon says goes, then fine so long as its fully clarifies, but that being said it doesn't make sense logically to kill a T who is merely standing up when simon says to freeze counters the definition of freezing.

You must still be crouching and spinning, but not jumping, freeze only restricts wsad movements and jumping, but doesn't restrict crouching and spinning, so those prior orders still stay

Sorta disagree, if a CT says crouch, remain crouched, then continue to do 360's followed with "all T's freeze" means that the previous orders are cancelled and the only order that should be followed is freeze.

It's the same when warden orders for all T's to crouch to the bottom of main cell stairs and freeze, you can then uncrouch.

But wouldn’t the warden have to say AFK freeze?? Cause like dyno stated it only restricts wasd and jumping??

"Freeze means: do not move along the X, Y, Z axis of the game. Crouching is exempt."


Yeah you can still crouch and do 360s, but if Simon Says to freeze AFTER crouching to me makes it seem that it logically means that simon say crouch and 360 is invalid as for freezing you do NOT have to crouch/can 360/etc per the definition of freeze. You can still do it but by the definition you can do whatever so long as you are in place not moving or jumping. It would also make invalid "simon says do not do what simon does not tell you to do" as in freeze you can use flash light, knife, etc. It would be completely different if crouch came after freeze though as the crouch order supersedes the freeze order.

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Agree with Needy on this, if the next order is to Freeze then that should allow them to freely crouch and uncrouch and so on.

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Honestly, warden should just refrain from saying "all T's freeze" because it really defeats the purpose of Simon Says for the reasons you stated above but if that were the case then yea, initially this would be correct.

Depends how you look at it imo. If you consider saying "Freeze" essentially being "You may now crouch, look around wherever, stand up, knife, etc." then yeah, I can see the argument why saying "Freeze" during simon says would invalidate the former crouch and 360 orders. However, if you consider the order "Freeze" to instead mean "You may not move along the x, y or z axis" (as per the !rules) then telling T's to freeze is not allowing them to do certain things, but instead limiting them from doing certain things, and thus does not invalidate previous orders limiting other actions not covered by freeze.

In short, using the "freeze" order merely adds to a list of limited actions rather than re-allowing for certain actions.

If you say "simon says crouching and remain crouching", then it is fair to say that you should not uncrouch unless the game is over or simon tells you not to. If you say "simon says jump and continue jumping", then it is fair to say that you should not stop jumping unless the game is over or simon tells you to. If you say "simon says All Ts freeze", then it is fair to say that you should no longer move along X,Y,Z coordinates (excluding crouching). It is a death game, and simon never gave the order to uncrouch, and "simon says all Ts freeze" is not an order to uncrouch either. Crouching is a perpetual order (which is allowed in simon says) and crouching is not touched by the regular freeze order... that's just my opinion.