Metagaming/ RP clarification *EDITED*

Yiggles Moto · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:26 pm

Terminator wrote:

WalterWhite wrote:

This is how you break the rule
enter a secret with out knowing a t is in there (must have seen the t's take it or know they're in there) so ct's shouldn't being jumping in to secrets looking for t's that might be rebelling (they must know a t is rebelling/ missing and have already search the map looking for the t)

so um...

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so its razor and the t's stand at the stairs.

THEN a T runs for vending machines and goes trough them.
u SAW him go in them, BUT BUT BUT by this clarification u should first check the entire map before u go to the secret.

thats how this works according to this. I WISH EVERY CT GOODLUCK AND A HAPPY FUNERAL

It says WITHOUT knowing a t is in there. If you see them you can chase them down. But you can't just go check Armory/Kitchen because that's meta-gaming. You have to try and follow.

Terminator · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:33 pm

Yiggles Moto wrote:

Terminator wrote:

WalterWhite wrote:

This is how you break the rule
enter a secret with out knowing a t is in there (must have seen the t's take it or know they're in there) so ct's shouldn't being jumping in to secrets looking for t's that might be rebelling (they must know a t is rebelling/ missing and have already search the map looking for the t)

so um...

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so its razor and the t's stand at the stairs.

THEN a T runs for vending machines and goes trough them.
u SAW him go in them, BUT BUT BUT by this clarification u should first check the entire map before u go to the secret.

thats how this works according to this. I WISH EVERY CT GOODLUCK AND A HAPPY FUNERAL

It says WITHOUT knowing a t is in there. If you see them you can chase them down. But you can't just go check Armory/Kitchen because that's meta-gaming. You have to try and follow.

ok apoligies for that then.

but still gonna suck on wardays tho :/

Cooper · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:41 pm

Terminator wrote:

Mr.Geeza wrote:

Terminator wrote:

QUESTION:

does this make the "knife vent to die" thingy void?

because ct's shouldnt know about the secrets, in wich t's knifing them shouldn't be killable, right?
like vents in cells? ct's dont know about them so they can't do shit.

Well they wouldnt be in that secret if it wasnt broken.

this doesn't answer anything xD

my question was: does the knife vent to die still count?
since ct's shouldnt know about vents untill they r broken. so we can knife vents right? untill they break

This is still them “trying to access a secret” which would make then a rebel. Regardless of if the CT knows where the vent goes, they are clearly trying to escape or messing with something they shouldn’t be. Especially if cels are open and orders are given. The rule is “No metagaming” not “no common sense”. If a T runs towards a vending machine in the middle of the round for no reason, you would still kill them for directly disobeying the orders. You may not know they are going to a secret but they are clearly not listening to the warden aka rebelling, which was talked about when the warning rule was clarified.

In a real jail if prisoners don’t listen or do they something they aren’t supposed they will be reprimanded. Same should go for jailbreak and the “roleplay” aspect of the mod, expect in this case the punishment would be death because CTs are limited by the game/rules.

winter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:48 pm

Having this rule breaks other rules as well

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This rule makes it frustrating to play as a CT, since you can’t know what’s “secret” are and can’t check the secrets to find active rebeller, therefore heavily enhanceing the T team to win

From my P.OV, they aren’t playing their role. For example, let’s say a T went to vending machine and is in vents, and that CT know he’s in a vent (based on sound) but since the rule takes place and matt said using sound is meta-gaming

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so now, he has wait until that T comes out, purposely giving a T a chance to get a gun

Also, to add, we had always been playing Jailbreak as that and never had a problem (before the meta gaming rule) if a CT randomly went to vent, then it’s the admin job to enforce the rule and ask him or why they went to that vent but with this rule, it’s the same thing as the other rule but heavily trying to role-play on a J:B server makes player (from the ct) want to leave, since it’s unplayable for them (maybe why the server is losing population)

Terminator · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:54 pm

Cooper wrote:

Terminator wrote:

Mr.Geeza wrote:

Terminator wrote:

QUESTION:

does this make the "knife vent to die" thingy void?

because ct's shouldnt know about the secrets, in wich t's knifing them shouldn't be killable, right?
like vents in cells? ct's dont know about them so they can't do shit.

Well they wouldnt be in that secret if it wasnt broken.

this doesn't answer anything xD

my question was: does the knife vent to die still count?
since ct's shouldnt know about vents untill they r broken. so we can knife vents right? untill they break

This is still them “trying to access a secret” which would make then a rebel. Regardless of if the CT knows where the vent goes, they are clearly trying to escape or messing with something they shouldn’t be. Especially if cels are open and orders are given. The rule is “No metagaming” not “no common sense”. If a T runs towards a vending machine in the middle of the round for no reason, you would still kill them for directly disobeying the orders. You may not know they are going to a secret but they are clearly not listening to the warden aka rebelling, which was talked about when the warning rule was clarified.

In a real jail if prisoners don’t listen or do they something they aren’t supposed they will be reprimanded. Same should go for jailbreak and the “roleplay” aspect of the mod, expect in this case the punishment would be death because CTs are limited by the game/rules.

u didn't really read what i said...

ct's shouldnt know about secrets so u cant say "knife vent/secret to die"
also, if u say "freeze at my spray" and the T is in range of the vent he can knife it without disobeying an order in wich he wouldnt be killable.

Reboobalar · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:34 pm

Terminator wrote:

this clarification just made being a T overpowered....
like RIP razor balance....
-jump into vending machine and u got a 90% chance of reaching armoury and killing ct's
-take the cell secret to pool.... and wait in scout secret, then the ct's gotta look over entire map before they can come in the secret of scout, right? like thats how i understand this xD
get into awp window and dont move.....ct's cant go in theire if they didn't see u and they cant be 100% sure u r in there

like, T already had a slight advantage with the warning rule since u dont get insta killed. now CT's just got so weak in theire ability to chase/hunt rebeling T's that it is stupid if u go CT team without having actual good ct's by your side.

RIP all the CT team and point balance.....from now on T's are overpowered and ct's can do very little
my opinion atleast

i AGREE WITH WHAT TERM SAID. JB was at its finest without the big meta gaming rule in my opinion now this is becoming to complicated and now Jb is becoming very T sided

Geeza · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:19 pm

Terminator wrote:

Yiggles Moto wrote:

Terminator wrote:

WalterWhite wrote:

This is how you break the rule
enter a secret with out knowing a t is in there (must have seen the t's take it or know they're in there) so ct's shouldn't being jumping in to secrets looking for t's that might be rebelling (they must know a t is rebelling/ missing and have already search the map looking for the t)

so um...

Spoiler: Show

so its razor and the t's stand at the stairs.

THEN a T runs for vending machines and goes trough them.
u SAW him go in them, BUT BUT BUT by this clarification u should first check the entire map before u go to the secret.

thats how this works according to this. I WISH EVERY CT GOODLUCK AND A HAPPY FUNERAL

It says WITHOUT knowing a t is in there. If you see them you can chase them down. But you can't just go check Armory/Kitchen because that's meta-gaming. You have to try and follow.

ok apoligies for that then.

but still gonna suck on wardays tho :/

Pretty sure this rule is kinda exempt from war days, isn't it?

winter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:42 pm

Mr.Geeza wrote:

Terminator wrote:

Yiggles Moto wrote:

Terminator wrote:

WalterWhite wrote:

This is how you break the rule
enter a secret with out knowing a t is in there (must have seen the t's take it or know they're in there) so ct's shouldn't being jumping in to secrets looking for t's that might be rebelling (they must know a t is rebelling/ missing and have already search the map looking for the t)

so um...

Spoiler: Show

so its razor and the t's stand at the stairs.

THEN a T runs for vending machines and goes trough them.
u SAW him go in them, BUT BUT BUT by this clarification u should first check the entire map before u go to the secret.

thats how this works according to this. I WISH EVERY CT GOODLUCK AND A HAPPY FUNERAL

It says WITHOUT knowing a t is in there. If you see them you can chase them down. But you can't just go check Armory/Kitchen because that's meta-gaming. You have to try and follow.

ok apoligies for that then.

but still gonna suck on wardays tho :/

Pretty sure this rule is kinda exempt from war days, isn't it?

Supposed to be since it’s a warday, two teams fighting, so it’s either the T is pursuing the last CT or the CT pursuing the last T, and have to go through secrets to find where he or she is and if not, then the T would just hide in secret for the whole round (if there’s no admin to enforce the beacon for both side)

Cooper · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:59 pm

Terminator wrote:

u didn't really read what i said...

I believe you are mistaken

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Central · **Posted:** Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:36 am

This one has come up yesterday on canyondam with Terminator;

I hopped onto the server and I get asked to clarify this for what he did, I did and spoke with needy and she said my clarification was correct so I’ll put it in here so if anyone else thinks the same, now they don’t:

On canyondam Terminator was knifing the vent in between the two tables in front of the cells and gets killed for it because he’s knifing a secret vent. He asked me if that was allowed because that CT shouldn’t have known that what he was knifing was a secret vent (due to meta-gaming).

My Clarification: “You still can be killed for it even if they do not know that they’re knifing a vent. What is going on is while you’re knifing that vent, it outputs the sound of something breaking, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out where it’s coming from. From the CTs perspective, it looks as if you’re attempting to escape the prison and that is of course rebelling plus by knifing such secret vent, you’re rebelling anyway and your intent was or is to rebel.”

Also in a real life prison, if a guard sees a prisoner attempting to break the wall or floor, that guard will immediately sound the alarm and punish that prisoner (in this scenario the punishment is death).

Hope this helps!

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