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Y’all need some pussy.

You two posting this is a perfect example of why so many young men are so insecure and depressed today. And then posting it on a thread attempting to help them, quite sad.
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Y’all need some pussy.

You two posting this is a perfect example of why so many young men are so insecure and depressed today. And then posting it on a thread attempting to help them, quite sad.

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The holiday season in Western cultures is a particularly stressful time for people, pressures from things such as the expectation to resolve and improve for the new year, expectations to be together with family, etc. can get a bit too much for people.

Feelings of loneliness and pressure can be expected to be higher than normal, but if anyone here or anyone you know is having these feelings disrupt their day-to-day lives, understand that this is not normal, and that you are never alone. There are people who dedicated their lives to helping others in situations similar to the ones you or the ones you love may be experiencing, and you should never feel as if you are burdening these people.

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Oh please not that fucker :/

This particlar video may be good enough to make you feel better, but please don't see him as a role-model psychologist, also he's not a psychiatrists which means he's not qualified to actually medically cure people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/ ... ad_rep_on/
He only got famous for political reasons, that's not how someone should select their mental care advisors.

Just go see a local medical professional, best thing you can do.

Extremely ignorant, you essentially just told me you have absolutely no idea who he even is. You're implying that all people who are depressed for whatever reason require medical attention. Often times, people are depressed because they feel they are not doing good enough, or that they feel everything is going wrong at once. Feelings of helplessness are a plague to many people today, and not without good reason. Many people feel as though they are nothing but a blur in the world, with no real direction. Especially since, I assume, most people in this community are either in high school or college, it applies directly to us. Many people in school today have trouble with personal responsibility, or don't feel that they have path or passion that is clear to them.

Jordan Peterson has dedicated his career to teaching people exactly how they can bring themselves out of a depression. You can find hundreds of hours of his lectures online, many of which talk about ways everyone can find meaning for themselves, and how people can become happier through proven effective methods of responsibility training. His programs, understandmyself and self-authoring have been used by tens of thousands of college students, and not only do they start getting better grades, but many of them become much happier people in general.

His political controversies have absolutely nothing to do with what he has done as a clinical psychologist with thousands of people who he has worked with and helped.
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Synthic wrote:
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Oh please not that fucker :/

This particlar video may be good enough to make you feel better, but please don't see him as a role-model psychologist, also he's not a psychiatrists which means he's not qualified to actually medically cure people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/ ... ad_rep_on/
He only got famous for political reasons, that's not how someone should select their mental care advisors.

Just go see a local medical professional, best thing you can do.


Extremely ignorant, you essentially just told me you have absolutely no idea who he even is. You're implying that all people who are depressed for whatever reason require medical attention. Often times, people are depressed because they feel they are not doing good enough, or that they feel everything is going wrong at once. Feelings of helplessness are a plague to many people today, and not without good reason. Many people feel as though they are nothing but a blur in the world, with no real direction. Especially since, I assume, most people in this community are either in high school or college, it applies directly to us. Many people in school today have trouble with personal responsibility, or don't feel that they have path or passion that is clear to them.

Jordan Peterson has dedicated his career to teaching people exactly how they can bring themselves out of a depression. You can find hundreds of hours of his lectures online, many of which talk about ways everyone can find meaning for themselves, and how people can become happier through proven effective methods of responsibility training. His programs, understandmyself and self-authoring have been used by tens of thousands of college students, and not only do they start getting better grades, but many of them become much happier people in general.

His political controversies have absolutely nothing to do with what he has done as a clinical psychologist with thousands of people who he has worked with and helped.


So instead of recommending people go seek individualised clinical/medical help you'd rather recommend them a video series to watch?

Sorry but no, I would never recommend someone with psychological issues to watch a video series on Youtube if I can help it at all, additionally my point being that this dude only really became popular for political reasons, not because he's a good psychologist. (Which were my original points, but anyone can read selectively, right?). Your reply to me rambling about depression has nothing to do at all with my earlier point, as I clearly never even insinuated that this can't be something really serious.

As to the point that not everyone requires medical care (let's clarify this as "taking medicine"), this is true. But some people do need this, which is why it's important to actually go visit your personal md or a psychologist so they can refer you to the right people to help you with your issue, and not watch Youtube videos.

However I originally mentioned this because healing people with medicine is outside of his field of expertise, which may be something required for the patient.
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Synthic wrote:
Often times, people are depressed because they feel they are not doing good enough, or that they feel everything is going wrong at once. Feelings of helplessness are a plague to many people today, and not without good reason. Many people feel as though they are nothing but a blur in the world, with no real direction. Especially since, I assume, most people in this community are either in high school or college, it applies directly to us. Many people in school today have trouble with personal responsibility, or don't feel that they have path or passion that is clear to them.


Depression at times can be very difficult to overcome as it makes us feel drained , hopeless and feel like we are nothing and I can even talk from personal experience of going through depression in my past years at college. I found it difficult to take the steps on how to overcome and combat depression but what got me through depression at the time was only looking at the positive side of life. Back in my early college years I had a number of students and teachers implying that he would never be good enough or being knowledgeable enough to be able to perceive his dream career job which was of course working with gaming.I felt written off and it didn`t put me in a good place at the time. It made me feel worthless, weak and less intelligent and when I kept thinking off those same things they keep throwing at me it eventually put me in a state of depression feeling like there was nothing worth going for in life if I couldn`t even believe myself to be able to get where I wanted to in life.

But something occurred to me one day whilst I took a stroll around my neighborhood on my own and that was is you should never doubt yourself in the person you are. To learn to combat depression I did things that made me feel good about myself , things that I felt proud of and that I know I could do deep down in my heart and if I knew I could do that then I knew my dream career wasn`t impossible to achieve. Despite that though even in current times I do still have my off days mainly because I find it difficult to socially interact and of course trying to have a good social life outside in the world. A lot of things changed dramatically in my life this January just gone and at times I struggled to be able to stay on top of things and look at the positive side of life but eventually what made me feel better was writing it all down and having steps to follow that help me get back to being my usual self.

If anyone wants advice to those who suffer from depression , try taking these steps and learn how to combat depression
1. Reach out for support and stay connected - Know that your never alone and that there are people just like you who are going through the exact same process. Talk to someone who you feel you can trust and cares a lot about you. They don`t have to be a good fix for you but they just need to be a good listener. Someone who won`t be distracted and someone that won`t judge you for being open about your feelings. You could even try supporting others as I`ve found from personal experience that helping others can help give you a bigger mood boost and make you feel good about yourself. Doesn`t matter weather it`s big or small be a listening ear to a friend.

2. Do things that you enjoy doing in life and things that make you feel good - This could range from anything such as picking up your favorite hobby that you have a big interest in and find it very enjoyable, relaxing and a place you can just lose yourself in. Try meeting up and going out with a friend weather it`s for a meal , going to see a movie or even a group outing on fun activity. Being around others will greatly help reduce depression. You could also try exploring your interests or taking it upon yourself to try out something new such as expanding your social circle and join and meet new people through communities/groups. Believe me I have found finding new people through communities is effective in helping you through those tough days.

3. Combat and challenge negative thinking - Depression puts a negative spin on everything but it`s important to remember that even when you are in a deep state of depression that you need to know where it stands with you. Learn what your weaknesses is of your depression cause and then once you build that step , then take the steps in learning how to combat and overcome it. Try to identify what your negative thoughts are that are fueling your depression and then try your best to eliminate those thoughts and replace them with a more balanced way of thinking.

Remember guys your never alone in depression and have the whole EGN community family to support you and talk to you. Stay strong out there


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Doldol wrote:
Synthic wrote:
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Oh please not that fucker :/

This particlar video may be good enough to make you feel better, but please don't see him as a role-model psychologist, also he's not a psychiatrists which means he's not qualified to actually medically cure people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/ ... ad_rep_on/
He only got famous for political reasons, that's not how someone should select their mental care advisors.

Just go see a local medical professional, best thing you can do.


Extremely ignorant, you essentially just told me you have absolutely no idea who he even is. You're implying that all people who are depressed for whatever reason require medical attention. Often times, people are depressed because they feel they are not doing good enough, or that they feel everything is going wrong at once. Feelings of helplessness are a plague to many people today, and not without good reason. Many people feel as though they are nothing but a blur in the world, with no real direction. Especially since, I assume, most people in this community are either in high school or college, it applies directly to us. Many people in school today have trouble with personal responsibility, or don't feel that they have path or passion that is clear to them.

Jordan Peterson has dedicated his career to teaching people exactly how they can bring themselves out of a depression. You can find hundreds of hours of his lectures online, many of which talk about ways everyone can find meaning for themselves, and how people can become happier through proven effective methods of responsibility training. His programs, understandmyself and self-authoring have been used by tens of thousands of college students, and not only do they start getting better grades, but many of them become much happier people in general.

His political controversies have absolutely nothing to do with what he has done as a clinical psychologist with thousands of people who he has worked with and helped.


So instead of recommending people go seek individualised clinical/medical help you'd rather recommend them a video series to watch?

Sorry but no, I would never recommend someone with psychological issues to watch a video series on Youtube if I can help it at all, additionally my point being that this dude only really became popular for political reasons, not because he's a good psychologist. (Which were my original points, but anyone can read selectively, right?). Your reply to me rambling about depression has nothing to do at all with my earlier point, as I clearly never even insinuated that this can't be something really serious.

As to the point that not everyone requires medical care (let's clarify this as "taking medicine"), this is true. But some people do need this, which is why it's important to actually go visit your personal md or a psychologist so they can refer you to the right people to help you with your issue, and not watch Youtube videos.

However I originally mentioned this because healing people with medicine is outside of his field of expertise, which may be something required for the patient.

You have strong opinions about things you don't know much about. Your point has absolutely everything to do with what depression is specifically. You literally said if someone is depressed they should go to a psychiatrist, and not just watch online videos. News flash, I'm studying to become one, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. When you get to a psychiatrist, they coach you and talk to you on how you can improve your situation, if its possible. When it comes to depression, many people if not most who are depressed are depressed because of their current life style or situation. He also is a very good clinical psychologist, as he has helped thousands of college students improve themselves.
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Synthic wrote:
Doldol wrote:
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Oh please not that fucker :/

This particlar video may be good enough to make you feel better, but please don't see him as a role-model psychologist, also he's not a psychiatrists which means he's not qualified to actually medically cure people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/ ... ad_rep_on/
He only got famous for political reasons, that's not how someone should select their mental care advisors.

Just go see a local medical professional, best thing you can do.


Extremely ignorant, you essentially just told me you have absolutely no idea who he even is. You're implying that all people who are depressed for whatever reason require medical attention. Often times, people are depressed because they feel they are not doing good enough, or that they feel everything is going wrong at once. Feelings of helplessness are a plague to many people today, and not without good reason. Many people feel as though they are nothing but a blur in the world, with no real direction. Especially since, I assume, most people in this community are either in high school or college, it applies directly to us. Many people in school today have trouble with personal responsibility, or don't feel that they have path or passion that is clear to them.

Jordan Peterson has dedicated his career to teaching people exactly how they can bring themselves out of a depression. You can find hundreds of hours of his lectures online, many of which talk about ways everyone can find meaning for themselves, and how people can become happier through proven effective methods of responsibility training. His programs, understandmyself and self-authoring have been used by tens of thousands of college students, and not only do they start getting better grades, but many of them become much happier people in general.

His political controversies have absolutely nothing to do with what he has done as a clinical psychologist with thousands of people who he has worked with and helped.


So instead of recommending people go seek individualised clinical/medical help you'd rather recommend them a video series to watch?

Sorry but no, I would never recommend someone with psychological issues to watch a video series on Youtube if I can help it at all, additionally my point being that this dude only really became popular for political reasons, not because he's a good psychologist. (Which were my original points, but anyone can read selectively, right?). Your reply to me rambling about depression has nothing to do at all with my earlier point, as I clearly never even insinuated that this can't be something really serious.

As to the point that not everyone requires medical care (let's clarify this as "taking medicine"), this is true. But some people do need this, which is why it's important to actually go visit your personal md or a psychologist so they can refer you to the right people to help you with your issue, and not watch Youtube videos.

However I originally mentioned this because healing people with medicine is outside of his field of expertise, which may be something required for the patient.


You have strong opinions about things you don't know much about. Your point has absolutely everything to do with what depression is specifically. You literally said if someone is depressed they should go to a psychiatrist, and not just watch online videos. News flash, I'm studying to become one, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. When you get to a psychiatrist, they coach you and talk to you on how you can improve your situation, if its possible. When it comes to depression, many people if not most who are depressed are depressed because of their current life style or situation. He also is a very good clinical psychologist, as he has helped thousands of college students improve themselves.


Stop straw-manning me, I did not literally say "if someone is depressed they should go to a psychiatrist, and not just watch online videos.", you're probably combing and misinterpreting (being generous here) two different things I said, (guessing here, since again I did not literally say any of that.) that being 1. an assertion that he is not a psychiatrist and thus cannot proscribe medicine, 2. That people need to visit either a psychologist or their md who can refer them (which afaik is someone's main point of entrance to health care).

"He also is a very good clinical psychologist, as he has helped thousands of college students improve themselves." How so? Proof? He didn't get his fame by being a renowned psychologist.

It has never been proven to me that he should be the dude to listen to, his political views are irrelevant, his philosophical views are a rehashing of renowned philosophers, nothing new. I read on the link you provided that he does a reading where he draws morality/psychological guidance (paraphrasing) from an ancient text that has been changed by laymen over thousands of years in transcription/translation (aka the bible), when I see these things alarm bells start ringing.

Why should I listen to him instead of my own psychologist or any of the Youtube channels that display professionalism in that only talk about their fields of expertise, or hire professionals (ex. Crash Course)?

Another point of suspicion (but nothing more) is that he seemingly aligns with your own political views, which could mean you have a bias towards him because of your political views.

All of this is only observation and logical reasoning, and doesn't go into what I think of what he actually says.

Also argument from authority, nice try but low.
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