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 Post subject: Re: Texas shooting.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:36 am 
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Just take away guns from everyone as a hole?
Worked in Australia :/


This guy adds a little comedy to the subject of gun laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:38 am 
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Just take away guns from everyone as a hole?
Worked in Australia :/

And how do you propose that the government remove 300+ million guns from American citizens?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:46 am 
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How did england and australia do it?
They used things like sweeping gun control measures
It doesn't happen after a week, it takes time
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:51 am 
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How did england and australia do it?
They used things like sweeping gun control measures
It doesn't happen after a week, it takes time

So you think that over 70 million American gun owners are going to gladly hand over all of their guns when the government comes knocking on their door?

What happens when, say, 30 million of them refuse to hand over their guns? Civil war
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:55 am 
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So after events such as these they're gonna say no and kill the people doing a nation wide gun sweep?
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So after events such as these they're gonna say no and kill the people doing a nation wide gun sweep?

If you think a nation wide gun sweep is possible in America, you have a lot of stuff to learn. American citizens having guns is literally the only thing stopping the government from becoming authoritarian/totalitarian.
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A government voted up by people is waiting for their chance to lunge at the people and kill them off?
The government isn't going to get the military to massacre everyone on the streets.
I think your radicalising the government :P
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:07 am 
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A government voted up by people is waiting for their chance to lunge at the people and kill them off?
The government isn't going to get the military to massacre everyone on the streets.
I think your radicalising the government :P

I don't think you understand how totalitarian governments form. In order for a government to become tyrannical, citizens have to have zero power. If you take away all guns from a country, citizens will have zero power. The American government is not all voted in as you would like to believe, there are several agencies and bureaucracies that have nothing to do with any democratic processes. I think it is a very bad mistake to put such blind faith into these institutions that are completely unaffected by the public opinion.

The founding fathers put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights SPECIFICALLY so that the government would never become tyrannical. There's a reason that all citizens are given the right to form militias.
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In order for a government to become tyrannical, citizens have to have zero power

How do the people suddenly hold 0 power without guns though?

And its an amendment, they can be changed

But I think this is headed off course, this is all just speculation, I didn't say it would 100% work but we don't know until we try.
I did enjoy the conversation though :)
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In order for a government to become tyrannical, citizens have to have zero power

How do the people suddenly hold 0 power without guns though?

And its an amendment, they can be changed

But I think this is headed off course, this is all just speculation, I didn't say it would 100% work but we don't know until we try.
I did enjoy the conversation though :)

How are citizens going to fight back against a police state without guns? Throw rocks at them?

Changing the 2nd Amendment will do absolutely nothing. I think you keep glancing over the figure that over 300 MILLION guns are in circulation among legal gun owners in America. Zero chance that they will all be taken, it is a fundamental right of the country to have guns and that will never change.
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