Should we allow skins player-side?

Tricky · **Posted:** Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:00 pm

Siberiac wrote:

Dyno wrote:

Coding our own is not a problem at all, it takes time and effort that's all. Where we would also get into the argument that people would want different skins/new skins and we would always have to constantly update that I mean I know how to code yet I have never even tried creating my own skins, so if we want that we would have the same problems mentioned above at crediting skin creators etc, also on that point I'm not sure we have people in our community proficient in writing their own custom skins (That I'm aware of) so this would be a huge project for all involved although it would be rewarding at the end, we would also have to think logically about this. Skins we provide people may not like, so will request different ones, which we wouldn't have then it will go back to the same problem we have now with enforcing purity

Exactly. Honestly when you look at opportunity cost, think about what we could be creating instead. Life isn't just about satisfying everyone at all times, it's about making a decision based on experience and analysis. While the store wouldn't be a "problem" it would be extremely time consuming, and create yet another time sink in updating and trying to please everyone at all times. I just feel that in this scenario, to replace custom skins, it's definitely not the solution we should be looking at.

What's something better then?

Lyriati · **Posted:** Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:14 pm

Inori wrote:

What's something better then?

you just wrote a really fucking ignorant comment and i'd prefer if you'd not.

Dyno · **Posted:** Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:18 pm

Inori wrote:

Siberiac wrote:

Dyno wrote:

Coding our own is not a problem at all, it takes time and effort that's all. Where we would also get into the argument that people would want different skins/new skins and we would always have to constantly update that I mean I know how to code yet I have never even tried creating my own skins, so if we want that we would have the same problems mentioned above at crediting skin creators etc, also on that point I'm not sure we have people in our community proficient in writing their own custom skins (That I'm aware of) so this would be a huge project for all involved although it would be rewarding at the end, we would also have to think logically about this. Skins we provide people may not like, so will request different ones, which we wouldn't have then it will go back to the same problem we have now with enforcing purity

Exactly. Honestly when you look at opportunity cost, think about what we could be creating instead. Life isn't just about satisfying everyone at all times, it's about making a decision based on experience and analysis. While the store wouldn't be a "problem" it would be extremely time consuming, and create yet another time sink in updating and trying to please everyone at all times. I just feel that in this scenario, to replace custom skins, it's definitely not the solution we should be looking at.

What's something better then?

Honestly I'll have a good think and see what I can come up with but currently the general consensus seems to be three options
1) enforcing purity
2) keeping purity at -1 which keeps us open to several exploits
3) enforcing purity but then adding a store plugin which will constantly need to be updated

Nemesis · **Posted:** Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:20 pm

Inori wrote:

Siberiac wrote:

Dyno wrote:

Coding our own is not a problem at all, it takes time and effort that's all. Where we would also get into the argument that people would want different skins/new skins and we would always have to constantly update that I mean I know how to code yet I have never even tried creating my own skins, so if we want that we would have the same problems mentioned above at crediting skin creators etc, also on that point I'm not sure we have people in our community proficient in writing their own custom skins (That I'm aware of) so this would be a huge project for all involved although it would be rewarding at the end, we would also have to think logically about this. Skins we provide people may not like, so will request different ones, which we wouldn't have then it will go back to the same problem we have now with enforcing purity

Exactly. Honestly when you look at opportunity cost, think about what we could be creating instead. Life isn't just about satisfying everyone at all times, it's about making a decision based on experience and analysis. While the store wouldn't be a "problem" it would be extremely time consuming, and create yet another time sink in updating and trying to please everyone at all times. I just feel that in this scenario, to replace custom skins, it's definitely not the solution we should be looking at.

What's something better then?

Inori what he's trying to say is we don't need anything better, we can just leave it as it is, and keep skins removed.

Siberiac · **Posted:** Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:14 pm

Nemesis wrote:

Inori wrote:

Siberiac wrote:

Dyno wrote:

Coding our own is not a problem at all, it takes time and effort that's all. Where we would also get into the argument that people would want different skins/new skins and we would always have to constantly update that I mean I know how to code yet I have never even tried creating my own skins, so if we want that we would have the same problems mentioned above at crediting skin creators etc, also on that point I'm not sure we have people in our community proficient in writing their own custom skins (That I'm aware of) so this would be a huge project for all involved although it would be rewarding at the end, we would also have to think logically about this. Skins we provide people may not like, so will request different ones, which we wouldn't have then it will go back to the same problem we have now with enforcing purity

Exactly. Honestly when you look at opportunity cost, think about what we could be creating instead. Life isn't just about satisfying everyone at all times, it's about making a decision based on experience and analysis. While the store wouldn't be a "problem" it would be extremely time consuming, and create yet another time sink in updating and trying to please everyone at all times. I just feel that in this scenario, to replace custom skins, it's definitely not the solution we should be looking at.

What's something better then?

Inori what he's trying to say is we don't need anything better, we can just leave it as it is, and keep skins removed.

^ Honestly if we're looking at it from a standpoint of pros and cons, I can guarantee that allowing hacks (without knowing how frequent they appear or easy they are to perform this is just spitballing) would run off way more people than not having custom skins. The store option seems really ridiculous, it still wouldn't allow the skins which the player already has downloaded and would want, and I guarantee you that whoever controls jailbreak now, nor the programmer would want to constantly keep updating the server with new skins because someone wants them.

I don't have a lot of stake in the situation since i'm on so infrequently nowadays, but I can say that from a popularity in the server standpoint, one option stands out greatly over the other.

P.S. Hints about deciphering surveys, if someone chooses an option that has a consequence over one that has no consequences, there's probably a reason for that ;)

TWD · **Posted:** Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:41 pm

omg please allow them because it makes the whole css experience better, this server is the only thing I play please don't disable reskins!

Nemesis · **Posted:** Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:38 pm

TWD wrote:

omg please allow them because it makes the whole css experience better, this server is the only thing I play please don't disable reskins!

So what you're saying is allow people to have skins, that may carry hacks and ruin peoples experience, instead of just removing them entirely and solving one problem just like that.
Honestly you don't need skins to play jailbreak. Jailbreak is a role play sense. It's not like you actually looks at your guns when playing because there is a lot to focus on more than skins.

Lyriati · **Posted:** Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:36 pm

Nemesis wrote:

It's not like you actually looks at your guns when playing because there is a lot to focus on more than skins.

i get to look at my sweet ass karambit knife when im on t side because all i do is walk around and occasionally play a game

AcidMac · **Posted:** Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:40 am

Store plugin +rep

Doldol · **Posted:** Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:46 am

Just whitelist weapons for sv_pure and you disable wallhacks and you keep custom weapon skins....

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