Of course. But unlike a father to a son, he cannot make another that "looks the same". Wartheft is the only advisor like Wartheft. Mootinie wasn't like him, Ganji isn't like him, Lex isn't like him, nobody else is like him. The traits that make us believe he is good at his position are the same reason we believe it's a bad idea for him to be demoted.

Without a logical reason to demote him aside from trust, we've lost an advisor that we feel does the job better than anyone else at this current time. If we had someone else who we could trust to step up and do as much work as Wartheft has done, this wouldn't have spiraled out of control like it did. No offence intended to Ganji, but the majority of us don't know him well enough to trust him to do as good of a job as Wartheft, which has significant value when Wartheft was the one who, essentially, kept this community from falling apart, both by dealing with members (and non-members) and making sure nothing spiraled out of control.

I suppose I can understand you well enough, with the premise that Doldol cannot trust Wartheft anymore, but even despite that, Wartheft couldn't help the community out as much, except in an Advisor position. The lack of trust was something that only needed to be dealt with professionally rather than personally. I've been close to people I disliked and distrusted plenty in my life, but that never stopped me from letting them have certain positions or do certain jobs, especially when I ran something and I needed their talents.

But, we all lead people differently, and that's just how I dealt with things.

Hope Doldol and Wartheft are both hanging in there, and that this doesn't end too badly. Thanks for your opinions Kharn. I'm sure both parties appreciate it.

Beep boop.

I'm not entirely sure that we can assume it was personal, the reasons that Doldol gives are phrased from a professional standpoint, and there isn't much evidence that it was personal, other than speculation.

However, regardless of what any of us think, Kharn and Moot and Doldol are right. Doldol alone is the leader, he makes the decisions, we don't. It's all well and good to speculate and say what you think "should" be done, but it's not up to us and it never has been, and probably never will be. However, I do want to point out that it APPEARS that when Doldol took the vote to the other higher-ups that the majority disagreed, and thus the problem they have is him saying that they agreed, when in actuality they did not. If that's the case. Unless someone has a record of chat logs, TeamSpeak convos, etc., the only people who will ever really know what went down will be those that were directly involved.

Since everyone loves their analogies.
- President/Prime Minister fires a minister the people love. The people vote out the politician.
- CEO fires a beloved boss/manager. People start to leave the company.

Just find a way to make it work. All this "my way or highway" shit doesn't work for a community. Without the members there is no community. Ignoring countless complaints from every type of rank is a slap in everyones face. Only defense is, "'cause Doldol said so". Fuck that, listen to the members or the members might determine this is not the community for them.

Well said but you clearly can't fix arrogant. This is what they don't get they need to either start listening or they're going be talking to themselves real soon.

Not really much i can add to this besides generally saying "aww, now ya fucked up" or some stupid shit like that in regards to wartheft being demoted.

but just to be a smartass, doldol didnt really appoint wartheft to be advisor, kharn did. soo....only kharn should have the authority to demote wartheft???

^not a serious point, don't take it seriously. seriously, don't. its not good for your health to take stupid shit seriously.

But now to the serious stuff.

ya fucked up, hard.

while yes, its not good to have an advisor who is normally for the people, but this also means you have an insight on what the people are thinking...like maybe one day we thing of lynching roaxes...then the next want to discuss heavily about asses. because this is a gaming community...most of the time nothing is taken seri...redacted statement, shit is taken seriously.

ROAXES! YOU OWE ME A NEW TOASTER!

end of bullshittery

"Well before your time sport."
"Addoroth will rise again!"

Gay

Technically Sloppy and Doldol promoted me from staff to Advisor. Kharn was on LOA and Sloppy was the only advisor at the time. However, since then the way promotions and decisions are made has changed, so it's arguably irrelevant.

I have an actual question. If Doldol never listens to his staff/advisors and think all of his members are "stupid", why the fuck does he want to be leader anyways?