Today, I was slain on jailbreak for exploiting by jumping through the ceiling to see players in different parts of the map. In all the time I've been playing, I've abused this exploit numerous times, as have many other players, members, and admins. The general knowledge seems to be that it's allowed. It's not written explicitly anywhere in the rules, ingame or on forums, that exploits aren't allowed.

I suggest that if the exploiting isn't allowed, a rule that I think would be totally reasonable, it should be clearly outlined in the rules. It's clearly not obvious to most members that it's not allowed, so I think that putting it in the rules should make it more clear.

Why would we need a rule not to EXPLOIT a map, AKA cheating. You say admins are using it? Report them it's not allowed, and as you know I'm the one that slayed you, and I will ban/slay anyone who continually does this and uses an exploit to their unfair advantage.

Yeah, I’ve had to warn a lot of people for this. It’s quite obvious that you can’t do that. Like what Dyno said, it’s pretty much like cheating, aka “getting an unfair advantage”

they do it but they're not dumb enough to get caught or admit to it on the forums lol

It's not immediately obvious to a player reading the rules or to a player who has played for a long time. Would a clarification hurt?

It's not obvious not to cheat and exploit a map?

My 2 cents is I don't get why the responses here seem forceful, but I understand where this guy is coming from. Yeah, common sense proves that you normally wouldn't try to exploit a map on purpose, but sometimes people are like "oh cool, i didn't know this existed" and might use it without knowing that it was specifically banned.

But that's just my opinion.

It's more that he's far more than aware that he's exploiting. He begins his sentence by saying "I was slain on jailbreak for exploiting" followed with "I've abused this exploit numerous times". And an exploit is the use of a bug or glitch by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the games designers. Word for word. Otherwise, you can just relate it to cheating which is just an unfair advantage to make the game easier. We'd take a much different approach if he was possibly unaware of what an exploit was or whether that would be considered an exploit but seeing that his only reasoning is "well everyone else does it so why can't I?" we're clearly not going to take lightly.

Just to be clear we do have a rule that this would fall under being rule No. 3 No Hacking or scripts - Play fair! Another rule stating "Do not exploit" isn't going to change the actions of the player base. Their deliberately using it to get an clear advantage against the CT team. In my opinion we shouldn't even need a rule stating not to cheat, it should be fairly obvious for anyone who's familiar with games. That answer your question / suggestion ProfessorG?

My 2c
If you cannot use clipping edges to look at poorly designed maps, then you should not be able to shoot through walls not intended to be wall banged (i.e lego jail pit) either. In a game mode where T's literally have to find "secrets" to gain advantages against the CTs, it seems like it fits right in when these things exist, just like missing textures making you invisible and other glitchy hiding spots that aren't banned. Making something like this illegal seems pretty petty.

Just for the record, even in competition games I remember shooting through the roof on cs_italy being allowed.

To be fair we arent a competition based community and we have our own rules that are meant to be followed. No harsh words were meant by any of the staff when it comes to this, they basically just want to make sure the point is gotten. If you call it an exploit or think it may be an exploit then ask an admin or staff + so you can make sure and be less likely to get in trouble. Its not that hard.

In regards to it being a game mode for T's to find secrets thats fine but a secret is not a way to cheat the map entirely. Also the thing is its not and I know for a fact that it isn't just T's using this "exploit", it is in fact CT's as well. There is no pettiness involved in this. ProfessorG wasn't singled out for it he just happened to be the one caught who is gonna be the example for further occurrences. All we wanna do is make sure the servers are fair to everyone and something that essentially is cheating is not fair and will not be tolerated. It's nothing against any one specific person personally. Like Dyno said if you see a player doing it and an admin is on tell them. If its an admin, record a demo and report them.