Oh I think you've got a lot of good points. I don't disagree with criticizing certain religions or cultures either, as long as it does not turn unnecessarily violent and hateful. And I do agree, Islam certainly does have a lot of values that clash heavily with western ones, and preserving the values and culture we have definitely is important. This is why personally, I have always been massively in favour of a strong system that focuses on cultural integration regarding immigration.

To be fair though, that's not really what the initial discussion was about, nor is it contrary to what I was originally arguing. I simply felt the initial sources provided were insufficient in reaching a fair conclusion, and thus felt it was weird how quickly several people were jumping to conclusions. What I have noticed largely from americans as a whole, seems to be some sort of "battle" between the two political parties, and illogical party loyalty. It is important to recognise blatant biases and agenda-driven content, but taking it far enough to where it's about "proving the other side wrong" (which is my interpretation of a lot of these discussions) is unhealthy for a civilized society.

Such as when the response I get on a reasonably un-biased comment is "MuH fAr RiGhT nEwS sOuRcEs!1 you people get so old." that is, quite frankly, ridicolous and stupid. This perfectly shows the mentality of "us vs those other guys" which is just a really poor way to debate anything. Not only had I not clarified any political or ideological affiliation from my side (as I tend not to brand myself by terms such as conservative, far-right, liberal, left-leaning, etc.) but my criticism wasn't even towards a set of opinions or political ideology. When legitimate criticism of a blatantly agenda-driven website is met with that, reasonable discussion is nigh impossible.

Regardless of the opinions presented within, I simply dislike media that attempts to force an opinion on someone or is clearly driven by a specific agenda. This is why I dislike Fox News, and it is also why I dislike CNN (as examples of two politically opposing media outlets that are blatantly agenda-driven).

The Gateway Pundit is a blog that has been called out multiple times for spreading propaganda and conspiracy theories.

This fountain of propaganda ranges topics such as:

Hillary Clinton's health: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... y-pundit-/
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/22/poli ... index.html

Alleged Voter Fraud in Florida: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... y-pundit-/
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/01/24/the ... story.html

Smearing other media organizations: https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media ... ter-235942

The Voice of Europe is a blog that has also been called out multiple times for spreading propaganda and conspiracy theories.

This fountain of propaganda and baseless conspiracy theories (whose owners wish to remain anonymous, as all paragons of honest media display) has tried to spread falsehoods such as:

Germany brainwashing their populace to become more accepting of Muslims: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/germa ... ra-muslim/

The ACTUAL law that people are being prosecuted under is as follows:

§127 of the Communication Act of 2003
A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—

(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,

(b)causes such a message to be sent; or

(c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

This means that any prosecutor must prove beyond reasonable doubt that the information someone has sent was 1. known to be false and 2. sent persistently and deliberately enough that it caused annoyance, inconvenience, or anxiety. This is INCREDIBLY hard to prove in court, but goes to show just how many easily-debunkable falsehoods are being spread by people on the internet. This is what people are getting arrested for, this is what people from hate groups are being arrested and denied entry for.


As a sidenote, since apparently nothing will be done by Staff+ about political threads, can we make a new rule for banning blatant propaganda? Especially from a "member" who hasn't played on our servers or worn clan tags for months and is literally only here to spread far-right propaganda and radicalize EgN (and practice Japanese in the chatbox, apparently).

We're a gaming server, not a government. You get banned in-game you don't get banned IRL

"everything i dont like is propaganda"

well, you tried

VVV muh trigger/sort of NSFW, not really, warning VVV

By the way, threads related to politics are allowed. No rules against it. Just no hatred against them. We're more than likely not going to make a rule that disallows propaganda. Members are allowed to address information designed to sway the opinions of people even if it may or may not be fabricated, otherwise, be bias against some sort of political belief. A bit unrealistic too. Also, not sure what the implication of "and practice Japanese in the chatbox" has anything to do with this either.

Completely ignoring the cartoon depictions of child-rape, I see. Classy Staff+, very classy. It's unfortunate how transparent where your bread is buttered is.

Who's Synthic? All I see is some guy named "king of memes", going by his steam tag. And no, not trolling, genuinely spreading far-right propaganda. Of course, conspiracy theorists generally tend to be people who are desperate to have some sort of superior knowledge that the general populace doesn't have, and there certainly is an attention-seeking aspect to this, but no, it's just general propaganda-spreading.

It's obviously futile to try and prevent this from happening though, even though trolling and inciting flame-wars is against forum rules. Shame.

No, not ignoring. May wanna check the spoiler again.

Whoops I deleted my post because it's just speculation. Idk everyone can express their opinion I guess is what society generally goes by, personally I'd like it to go by this quote


Sometimes though for plenty of reasons people get into a more extremist opinion/view, I guess that happens, and as long as people don't act on it that is viewed as ok, because if you don't you endanger freedom of speech.

Idk though, "king of memes" and not trolling?

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Yeaa... I'd rather not take anyone elses word for whats "fakes news" (not you or the government) and have the option to look at all sides before coming to my own conclusion. Yes i think some of the "far right" points are exaggerated but they do still have some valid points. Just like the far left (that appears to be you Birthstone) is not wrong on everything simply because it comes from the "far left". It's impossible to get 100% unbiased news but that doesn't mean we should reject it just because we have a different bias. Just try acting like a responsible human being and consider all information while addressing what is fact vs. Opinion and learn to separate the two.

Dismissing someone just based on what political side you think they belong too is just as stupid and ignorant as believing someone with no evidence just because you agree with them.