Who's managing minigames?

Terminator · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:18 pm

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

I wouldn't recall them as "development leaders" imbo as it sounds almost like managers in my mind; and don't mean to twist your words, per se, only trying to make a clarification for other members as well

But it's more or less an easier way to actually describe them wouldn't you agree? Might raise questions such as "So why only them have access to the server instead of the whole development team?" etc. I just only described it that way to give a more easier example to understand as really they're more or less that imo. I know you have really the say and all being Staff, but I mean, best way to describe them in my head is just to call them the development leaders of some sort of the server as they implement the suggestions n stuff on server-side.

might wanna take this to private chat, just a suggestion. i know what can come of this lol

SemiAutoNoob · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:25 pm

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

Doldol · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:44 pm

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

The core problem is that almost none of the dev team members have the knowledge they need/should have to make a successful server.

You don't give a 10 year old nuclear launch codes.

(Maybe harsh, but you all know this is true.)

Dyno · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:46 pm

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

I insist of having control? That's not true haha, you have control over all gmod servers, other people have exactly the same access as I have on the EgN box. Anyone who's actually spoken to us (staff+) from the dev team to get access to the servers has been told yes. I've not said no to one person, it's not me that isn't being pro-active. What does EgN do when I get pissed of, or don't get my way? There is plenty of times i've been pissed off and not gotten my way, yet i'm still here. Kharn is actually the owner of the box, i've just got admistrative privileges. (Which Kharn gave me) Sure I set everything up, but when it comes down to it, it's Kharn. he could revoke my access anytime he likes, just like he could to any of us. If i touch that server form my WORK side, without permission, i'd get fired. So not sure what you're trying to imply here.

Dev team was so people could collabrate ideas and work together on servers, which they have been doing so far, so not sure what the confusion/frustration is?

Terminator · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:50 pm

Doldol wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

The core problem is that almost none of the dev team members have the knowledge they need/should have to make a successful server.

You don't give a 10 year old nuclear launch codes.

(Maybe harsh, but you all know this is true.)

for as far i believe, i think they are still doing theire best tho
and this might not be the most efficient, but still worth having them in long term

SemiAutoNoob · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:08 pm

Dyno wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

I insist of having control? That's not true haha, you have control over all gmod servers, other people have exactly the same access as I have on the EgN box. Anyone who's actually spoken to us (staff+) from the dev team to get access to the servers has been told yes. I've not said no to one person, it's not me that isn't being pro-active. What does EgN do when I get pissed of, or don't get my way? There is plenty of times i've been pissed off and not gotten my way, yet i'm still here. Kharn is actually the owner of the box, i've just got admistrative privileges. (Which Kharn gave me) Sure I set everything up, but when it comes down to it, it's Kharn. he could revoke my access anytime he likes, just like he could to any of us. If i touch that server form my WORK side, without permission, i'd get fired. So not sure what you're trying to imply here.

Dev team was so people could collabrate ideas and work together on servers, which they have been doing so far, so not sure what the confusion/frustration is?

Don’t wet your panties I meant no offense you’ve given me the things I require and we’re cool. But EgN doesn’t have the greatest track record of staff leaving. And you rose to your position a lot faster than the others.

The “dev team“ was your brain child. Maybe it will get better. :/

I’d prefer to go to the pre- Doldol erra and put manager back to an actual rank.

Dyno · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:14 pm

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Dyno wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

I insist of having control? That's not true haha, you have control over all gmod servers, other people have exactly the same access as I have on the EgN box. Anyone who's actually spoken to us (staff+) from the dev team to get access to the servers has been told yes. I've not said no to one person, it's not me that isn't being pro-active. What does EgN do when I get pissed of, or don't get my way? There is plenty of times i've been pissed off and not gotten my way, yet i'm still here. Kharn is actually the owner of the box, i've just got admistrative privileges. (Which Kharn gave me) Sure I set everything up, but when it comes down to it, it's Kharn. he could revoke my access anytime he likes, just like he could to any of us. If i touch that server form my WORK side, without permission, i'd get fired. So not sure what you're trying to imply here.

Dev team was so people could collabrate ideas and work together on servers, which they have been doing so far, so not sure what the confusion/frustration is?

Don’t wet your panties I meant no offense you’ve given me the things I require and we’re cool. But EgN doesn’t have the greatest track record of staff leaving. And you rose to your position a lot faster than the others.

The “dev team“ was your brain child. Maybe it will get better. :/

I’d prefer to go to the pre- Doldol erra and put manager back to an actual rank.

No I understand it wasn't any offense given, however I did want to have a response in regards to this, because I don't want people under the impression that I have everything, when In reality as stated, it's Kharn that does, I understand the track record of staff leaving, but the Dev team was, i'll schedule a meeting and get this shit cleared up, in regards to it, I must say, the dev team hasn't been pro-active in regards to the servers (majority) so I do understand your point, and concerns, hope they have been cleared up?

Doldol · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:21 pm

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Dyno wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

I insist of having control? That's not true haha, you have control over all gmod servers, other people have exactly the same access as I have on the EgN box. Anyone who's actually spoken to us (staff+) from the dev team to get access to the servers has been told yes. I've not said no to one person, it's not me that isn't being pro-active. What does EgN do when I get pissed of, or don't get my way? There is plenty of times i've been pissed off and not gotten my way, yet i'm still here. Kharn is actually the owner of the box, i've just got admistrative privileges. (Which Kharn gave me) Sure I set everything up, but when it comes down to it, it's Kharn. he could revoke my access anytime he likes, just like he could to any of us. If i touch that server form my WORK side, without permission, i'd get fired. So not sure what you're trying to imply here.

Dev team was so people could collabrate ideas and work together on servers, which they have been doing so far, so not sure what the confusion/frustration is?

Don’t wet your panties I meant no offense you’ve given me the things I require and we’re cool. But EgN doesn’t have the greatest track record of staff leaving. And you rose to your position a lot faster than the others.

The “dev team“ was your brain child. Maybe it will get better. :/

I’d prefer to go to the pre- Doldol erra and put manager back to an actual rank.

Ohh that implies that there is a Doldol era, that's pretty cool.

SemiAutoNoob · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:23 pm

Doldol wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Dyno wrote:

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

Central wrote:

Needy wrote:

Central wrote:

The development leaders of the server or some sort like that is Spooky and Winter. You can always suggest new things of course, such as adding new maps, just list the maps and they'll get to it! You guy's really don't know what's happening in servers really, just development team really

They aren't the "development leaders" of Minigames keep in mind; now they do (and are the only two who) have access to the server but you all those who are a part of the dev. team is there to help improve our server(s) in order for it to get more populated, as a team, hence dev. "team".

I don't understand why you have the need to twist everything I say. I'm pretty sure he knew what I meant by what I said, and in all honesty, you said they are the only two who have access to the server in the whole development team, doesn't that make them the development leaders for that specific server, and everyone else can still have their input, suggestions, improvements etc? It's still a team working on the server, they just can make improvements or suggestions in the thread and then the people or person with access to that server implement those suggestions/improvements.

Don’t worry the “dev team” can’t figure this dumb shit out either.
It’s basically an endless circle. (No managers- who’s has access to this server? -one person - so manager? - no managers it’s a team!- what’s the team do? - advises the person with access to do something.- so they advise a manager? - no there are no managers there is dev team- but what does the dev team do?- no one fucking knows.)

From what I’ve gathered by being |Lead Head Dick of EgN Inquisitation| EgN staff were trying to involve more people and share the responsibility so that not one person was getting the credit or blame for the server. I’ve yet to actually see anything more than a few threads with startup server ideas which usually lead nowhere come from the dev team. That and the fact that they didn’t like the title “managers” sounding like those people had any power above staff.

Not to mention the ungodly hoops they want you to jump through since Dyno insists on being the only one with any real control or ability to do anything since his migrating to his company. What’s he care he has control and his company is making money. No offense to Dyno. What does EgN do when he inevitably gets pissed off or doesn’t get his way? But the double dipping is another topic.

Point is the “dev team” is a joke. So don’t try and make sense of the chaos just go with it.

I insist of having control? That's not true haha, you have control over all gmod servers, other people have exactly the same access as I have on the EgN box. Anyone who's actually spoken to us (staff+) from the dev team to get access to the servers has been told yes. I've not said no to one person, it's not me that isn't being pro-active. What does EgN do when I get pissed of, or don't get my way? There is plenty of times i've been pissed off and not gotten my way, yet i'm still here. Kharn is actually the owner of the box, i've just got admistrative privileges. (Which Kharn gave me) Sure I set everything up, but when it comes down to it, it's Kharn. he could revoke my access anytime he likes, just like he could to any of us. If i touch that server form my WORK side, without permission, i'd get fired. So not sure what you're trying to imply here.

Dev team was so people could collabrate ideas and work together on servers, which they have been doing so far, so not sure what the confusion/frustration is?

Don’t wet your panties I meant no offense you’ve given me the things I require and we’re cool. But EgN doesn’t have the greatest track record of staff leaving. And you rose to your position a lot faster than the others.

The “dev team“ was your brain child. Maybe it will get better. :/

I’d prefer to go to the pre- Doldol erra and put manager back to an actual rank.

Ohh that implies that there is a Doldol era, that's pretty cool.

You made history :)

mattlikespie · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:25 pm

This can be settled elsewhere please

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