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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:22 pm 
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So I think it's safe to assume that majority of members are from the US and/or know the English language well enough. So most likely you guys heard of the phrase "stuck in a rut" and "in the groove". Technical they mean the same exact thing, so what is the difference? Why is one a good thing and why is the other a bad?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:29 pm 
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So I think it's safe to assume that majority of members are from the US and/or know the English language well enough. So most likely you guys heard of the phrase "stuck in a rut" and "in the groove". Technical they mean the same exact thing, so what is the difference? Why is one a good thing and why is the other a bad?

Context, and reading comprehension
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:32 pm 
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I've actually never heard either of those phrases before lol
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I've actually never heard either of those phrases before lol


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CharlieKelly wrote:
McNugget wrote:
So I think it's safe to assume that majority of members are from the US and/or know the English language well enough. So most likely you guys heard of the phrase "stuck in a rut" and "in the groove". Technical they mean the same exact thing, so what is the difference? Why is one a good thing and why is the other a bad?

Context, and reading comprehension


If it was a matter of context, wouldn't the phrases be interchangeable? I mean they literally both mean the same thing but one has a negative connotation while the other has a positive. And I'm not sure what reading comprehension has to do with the phrase but okay lol


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rut
rət/Submit
noun
1.
a long deep track made by the repeated passage of the wheels of vehicles.
synonyms: furrow, groove, trough, ditch, hollow, pothole, crater
"the car bumped across the ruts"
2.
a habit or pattern of behavior that has become dull and unproductive but is hard to change.
"the administration was stuck in a rut and was losing its direction"
synonyms: boring routine, humdrum existence, habit, dead end
"he was stuck in a rut"

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groove
ɡro͞ov/
noun
1.
a long, narrow cut or depression, especially one made to guide motion or receive a corresponding ridge.
synonyms: furrow, channel, trench, trough, canal, gouge, hollow, indentation, rut, gutter, cutting, cut, fissure; rabbet
"water trickled down the grooves"
2.
an established routine or habit.
"his thoughts were slipping into a familiar groove"
synonyms: furrow, channel, trench, trough, canal, gouge, hollow, indentation, rut, gutter, cutting, cut, fissure; rabbet
"water trickled down the grooves"
verb
1.
make a groove or grooves in.
"deep lines grooved her face"
2.
informal
dance or listen to popular or jazz music, especially that with an insistent rhythm.
"they were grooving to Motown"

Rut has a negative connotation, hence why it can have a different meaning than groove, despite both having the action of being in a half-cylinder.
It's literally the nature of the English language.
Why does good mean good, and bad mean bad?
Gonna revise your Levi's with physical harm
Put divets in the rivets with my physical arm
Gonna beat those jeans, gonna dip em in slime
Turn your 501s into 499s

The Senate: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
Anakin: No
The Senate: I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Anakin: He could actually save people from death?
The Senate: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Anakin: What happened to him?
The Senate: He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
Anakin: Is it possible to learn this power?
The Senate: Not from a Jedi.


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A groove is smooth and regular, made deliberately to set a path, such as the groove on a record. At least that's the implication. A "rut" not so much. "Get into a groove" is a good thing and "stuck in a rut" means you're kind of not able to change directions without a lot of effort. Non-idiomatically, a "groove" is a depressed line cut into rock or wood deliberately and a "rut" is a depressed line left by wagon wheels on a muddy road.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-differe ... d-a-groove

Basically groove is intended whereas rut is not intended and more a result of consequence hence the negative stigma attached to it.
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A groove is smooth and regular, made deliberately to set a path, such as the groove on a record. At least that's the implication. A "rut" not so much. "Get into a groove" is a good thing and "stuck in a rut" means you're kind of not able to change directions without a lot of effort. Non-idiomatically, a "groove" is a depressed line cut into rock or wood deliberately and a "rut" is a depressed line left by wagon wheels on a muddy road.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-differe ... d-a-groove

Basically groove is intended whereas rut is not intended and more a result of consequence hence the negative stigma attached to it.


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A groove is smooth and regular, made deliberately to set a path, such as the groove on a record. At least that's the implication. A "rut" not so much. "Get into a groove" is a good thing and "stuck in a rut" means you're kind of not able to change directions without a lot of effort. Non-idiomatically, a "groove" is a depressed line cut into rock or wood deliberately and a "rut" is a depressed line left by wagon wheels on a muddy road.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-differe ... d-a-groove

Basically groove is intended whereas rut is not intended and more a result of consequence hence the negative stigma attached to it.


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