I can work with that for now. TBH I wasn't trying to cause more trouble in the rules but just wanted to see what others say. I'm still use to some of the common things other jailbreaks are against like this. I would like to try and see if we can make a change on this sometime in the future to make thing clearer. So I'll bring this up at the next meeting/admin meeting. Even if we make things a bit more clear so we're all on the same page. Thank you all for actually putting input instead of bashing like a couple people.

Unlocked for further discussion.

3ed post, same issue since 2015 and ppl still tryin to fight it. Smh chips, link, sib, and alex, yall need Jesus.

I still believe being in vents in an area that is restricted to prisoners is rebelling still. Whether they think about it or not that's their own fault for breaking and going through. Now if they get out in time and freeze before a CT catches them then they can live. That's because a CT can't prove they were in there. A CT has to be able to see them break the vent or running through to catch them in the act. We can continue to discuss this on here, but either way I'm gonna attend the admin meeting to bring this point up. I just feel like its something basic that you would expect in a Jail Break Server..




It is an act of rebellion to be going through a vent, but you wouldn't understand or consider the logic in it. Why? You thought it wasn't rebelling to shoot open a secret with a secondary. Your input on this conversation doesn't mean shit to me because you have your head so far up your ass boy. You're on the server just forcing your own logic on others without thinking what comes outta that mouth. Lol I'm surprised you've held on to your admin this long. Any how times change and I'm sure the rules do as well.

P.s. I am not enforcing any of this stuff on JB. I brought it here to discuss about it and see what the community thinks.

Well actually if u look at the post needy linked and the one posted to that, you will see that it was already stated that "acts of rebelling" not covered in the rules arnt punishable. Thats the reason i said its not against the rules for a T to shoot a gun (even doldol pointed this out back in 2015). Thats the same reason you cant kill T's for knifing a vent (but for some reason people apply that to vents but not guns which is weird but meh).

No reason to start being an asshole tho link, pretty petty an shameful look for a guy who can be chill as you tbh

It's a rule you can't kill a t for shooting a gun? Forreal? I leave my usp hanging out and I get blasted in the face instantly...

I'll PM you about this..

There was/is no rule saying a T can be killed for shooting a gun, only for pointing at a CT or having a primary unholstered

There is also no rule saying a T can be killed for knifing a vent. Only for disobeying wardens orders.

The difference is a while ago the first one came up and staff+ decided shooting a gun is a "rebellious action" even though i explained that there was no rules saying this and that an advisor in 2015 pointed out the same thing. For whatever reason they said was it "common sense" and i was clearly and obviously wrong (some ppl were even quite rude about it actually) so after that they posted on the forums that a CT could kill a T for shooting a pistol in the air.

http://elevatedgaming.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=20990&hilit=Pistol+shooting

Today it seems to be the reverse as while some people think knifing the vent is a "rebellious action" and it is "common sense" to kill a T for such a reason, the staff+ have ruled against it saying there is no rule saying T's can be killed for actions CT's perceive to be "rebellious".

So if you go by simplistic, charlie, needy, and doldol's logic; there are no "implied" rules and you cannot kill a T unless they break a rule or disobey an order. Meaning T's can knife vents and shoot pistols.

However if you go by link, sinister, wartheft, and Caboose's logic; since jailbreak is role play, CT's can decide to kill T's if it would make sense in a "real prison" AND/OR if they break a rule/disobey an order. Meaning T's may be killed for knifing vents or shooting pistols if the warden deems it "rebellious".

The problem i have with their way is it's left very open to opinion as no two people have the same definition of "rebellious actions". the better solution to would be to only allow CT's to kill T's if they break a rule or disobey an order. If everyone agrees an order is so important should be enforced every round (such as knifing a vent or shooting a pistol) , just make it a rule. That way everyone has clear boundaries and there is no confusion.

As it stands now the staff+ are not being consistent in enforcing rules, instead picking and choosing what CT's can and cannot do without any consistency in reason or care for precedents. Thats why you get ppl like link who are genuinely confused as to whats allowed and they dont understand why things seem so arbitrary (its because thay are at the moment).

So staff should really talk to each other and the members (maybe at the admin meeting) about the importance of consistency, what precedents are, and why they are so important.

P.S. Sorry if i sound arrogant, rude, or stuck up. Its just the clearest and most stright forward way i can put it.

Okay this thread needs to stop.

We will look at this and give a proper response soon. Probably Kharn will, but if not one of the Staff will.

I know you guys want to discuss this, but it's become repetitive and I see you all are looking for a response from Staff+. So we will come up with one and post it here.

Until then, this post will remain locked so no more shit storms appear.