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At the United Nations, Obama literally said if he had to pick the side of chrsitians/judaism, he's rather defend the muslims. This man with John Kerry, John McCain and Hilary Clinton armed ISIS/ISIL to the teeth, so the picture of him like that is authentic.


I'm confused, from the choices of Judaism/Christianity Obama picked Islam, which wasn't a choice to begin with? What was the context around this proclamation?

I bet I can find awful people that want "you" to own guns and exemplary people that don't want "you" to own guns.

And while it is probably accurate to say that Obama signed off on decisions that at least indirectly armed ISIS, it would be disingenuous to not also mention that every other US president has directly or indirectly armed major foreign extremist movements for as long as they have existed.

I don't think your picture conveys and well-argues a coherent, valid point, but then that's quite hard to do in 1 picture.
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Sarge wrote:
At the United Nations, Obama literally said if he had to pick the side of chrsitians/judaism, he's rather defend the muslims. This man with John Kerry, John McCain and Hilary Clinton armed ISIS/ISIL to the teeth, so the picture of him like that is authentic.


I'm confused, from the choices of Judaism/Christianity Obama picked Islam, which wasn't a choice to begin with? What was the context around this proclamation?

I bet I can find awful people that want "you" to own guns and exemplary people that don't want "you" to own guns.

And while it is probably accurate to say that Obama signed off on decisions that at least indirectly armed ISIS, it would be disingenuous to not also mention that every other US president has directly or indirectly armed major foreign extremist movements for as long as they have existed.

I don't think your picture conveys and well-argues a coherent, valid point, but then that's quite hard to do in 1 picture.


ISLAM has killed 270 million worldwide and has been in perpetual war for the last 1,400 years. Less guns from law abiding citizens is not going to lower gun violence. Look at Chicago as a prime example.

As for ISIL, Obama has made parts of his speeches referencing military movements with ISIL. The ex president (worst president in history by far) doesn't even seem fazed by it. If you align yourself with terrorist organizations and arm and fund them while saying you want more gun control, it is clear that guns can save lives and that arming a resistance can do wonders. Why arm ISIL if you didn't want them to be "freedom fighters". Arming our enemies and disarming us is clearly a good enough reason to have that flag under his edited picture.

A populace with less guns in a place like America only leaves room for a communist and fascist takeover and the loss of our civil liberties.


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A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are "subjects".

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.

You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people


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The amount of lives saved by legal use of guns is astronomical compared to lives lost to gun-related violent crime (even include gang on gang violence if you want, the vast majority of gun related deaths are suicides and gang warfare). If you think about it...just imagine what the country would ACTUALLY look like if this were NOT true...but this isn't about self defense statistics. It's about the 2nd amendment of the U.S. constitution.

The U.S. is the only country in the history of the planet that was created on the principles of freedom from an oppressive government; BY militias that, against the odds, defeated such a government by use of firearms. Giving the people the right own firearms is literally the only means of keeping the power in the people's hands. "Govern by the consent of the governed". What happens if the government does not consent?

There is a reason the Bill of Rights went in the order of free speech, then the right to keep and bear arms, then everything else."

I find it very alarming that so many people are arguing for the government to strip the rights of the people, to have MORE control of your personal protection, when it's the GOVERNMENT that failed on EVERY LEVEL to do their jobs enforcing laws already in place to prevent these things from happening. AND they had MANY opportunities to do so. If they can infringe on one right, they can infringe on them ALL. There is no "common sense gun laws." The left wants all guns banned, because they don't even know enough basic data to differentiate one from the next.

The U.S is a country born of personal responsibility. The problem is that children are not being taught that any more, and nobody in power is being held accountable for incompetence. There is an ever growing group of people who are dependent on the government and the media to take care of them, to tell them what to do, and what to think. They are the biggest threat to liberty we have ever faced.

When I was 20 I was not very interested in firearms, I didn't even know much about them. I went out, bought a rifle, and started training because I felt it was my duty and responsibility as a healthy, adult citizen to be proficient in basic operations. Now, at 27, after tons of research, training, experience, becoming aware of our rights being attacked at every opportunity, and being exposed to how much EVIL there is in the world (I trained with LAPD for 4 months. If you've seen what I've seen, and heard what I've heard you wouldn't dare sleep without a handgun under your pillow), I am about as pro-gun as you can be.


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Sarge wrote:
Doldol wrote:
Sarge wrote:
At the United Nations, Obama literally said if he had to pick the side of chrsitians/judaism, he's rather defend the muslims. This man with John Kerry, John McCain and Hilary Clinton armed ISIS/ISIL to the teeth, so the picture of him like that is authentic.


I'm confused, from the choices of Judaism/Christianity Obama picked Islam, which wasn't a choice to begin with? What was the context around this proclamation?

I bet I can find awful people that want "you" to own guns and exemplary people that don't want "you" to own guns.

And while it is probably accurate to say that Obama signed off on decisions that at least indirectly armed ISIS, it would be disingenuous to not also mention that every other US president has directly or indirectly armed major foreign extremist movements for as long as they have existed.

I don't think your picture conveys and well-argues a coherent, valid point, but then that's quite hard to do in 1 picture.


ISLAM has killed 270 million worldwide and has been in perpetual war for the last 1,400 years. Less guns from law abiding citizens is not going to lower gun violence. Look at Chicago as a prime example.

As for ISIL, Obama has made parts of his speeches referencing military movements with ISIL. The ex president (worst president in history by far) doesn't even seem fazed by it. If you align yourself with terrorist organizations and arm and fund them while saying you want more gun control, it is clear that guns can save lives and that arming a resistance can do wonders. Why arm ISIL if you didn't want them to be "freedom fighters". Arming our enemies and disarming us is clearly a good enough reason to have that flag under his edited picture.

A populace with less guns in a place like America only leaves room for a communist and fascist takeover and the loss of our civil liberties.


>> ISLAM has killed 270 million worldwide and has been in perpetual war for the last 1,400 years.
I'm uncertain how you attained those numbers, but I in essence agree, but not just for Islam, I credit every not strict non-violence religion with this issue.

>> Less guns from law abiding citizens is not going to lower gun violence. Look at Chicago as a prime example.
Chicago has historically been one of the worst places in the US related to gun-violence, statistics show that their stricter laws actually helped to more effectively reduce gun-violence compared to other US states.

>> As for ISIL, Obama has made parts of his speeches referencing military movements with ISIL. The ex president (worst president in history by far) doesn't even seem fazed by it.
This seems very unlikely, as it would be political suicide. Maybe you're considering some extremist but anti ISIL faction part of ISIL? In the spirit of enemy of my enemy is my friend (Even if they're also mass-murdering extremists).

>> If you align yourself with terrorist organizations and arm and fund them while saying you want more gun control, it is clear that guns can save lives and that arming a resistance can do wonders.
Ah, so you agree it was in fact a resistance not ISIL itself? You cannot compare a warzone with a relatively stable developed country. You're advocating to turn your country into a warzone/anarchy, because it isn't right now, I think that's the big point you're not seeing. You do not want this, but that is what more weapons and more antagonization leads to.

>> Why arm ISIL if you didn't want them to be "freedom fighters".
That is a long story which starts with the US not liking Russia and the CIA fucking up.

>> Arming our enemies and disarming us is clearly a good enough reason to have that flag under his edited picture.
You have a military to defend your country against foreign entities. That is exactly it's purpose.

>> A populace with less guns in a place like America only leaves room for a communist and fascist takeover and the loss of our civil liberties.
Well I'm Belgian and we have extremely tight gun laws, I can only say that we have no communist/fascist issues and my civil liberties are very much intact. Unless your place is in a significantly worse state I can't see how what you claim could ever happen. Also last time I checked it was still illegal in the US to shoot someone over them having a different ideology.

Also communism is in theory/idealistically pretty great. You definitely want some of it, we westerners usually call that part socialism.
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koolaid wrote:
The amount of lives saved by legal use of guns is astronomical compared to lives lost to gun-related violent crime (even include gang on gang violence if you want, the vast majority of gun related deaths are suicides and gang warfare). If you think about it...just imagine what the country would ACTUALLY look like if this were NOT true...but this isn't about self defense statistics. It's about the 2nd amendment of the U.S. constitution.

The U.S. is the only country in the history of the planet that was created on the principles of freedom from an oppressive government; BY militias that, against the odds, defeated such a government by use of firearms. Giving the people the right own firearms is literally the only means of keeping the power in the people's hands. "Govern by the consent of the governed". What happens if the government does not consent?

There is a reason the Bill of Rights went in the order of free speech, then the right to keep and bear arms, then everything else."

I find it very alarming that so many people are arguing for the government to strip the rights of the people, to have MORE control of your personal protection, when it's the GOVERNMENT that failed on EVERY LEVEL to do their jobs enforcing laws already in place to prevent these things from happening. AND they had MANY opportunities to do so. If they can infringe on one right, they can infringe on them ALL. There is no "common sense gun laws." The left wants all guns banned, because they don't even know enough basic data to differentiate one from the next.

The U.S is a country born of personal responsibility. The problem is that children are not being taught that any more, and nobody in power is being held accountable for incompetence. There is an ever growing group of people who are dependent on the government and the media to take care of them, to tell them what to do, and what to think. They are the biggest threat to liberty we have ever faced.

When I was 20 I was not very interested in firearms, I didn't even know much about them. I went out, bought a rifle, and started training because I felt it was my duty and responsibility as a healthy, adult citizen to be proficient in basic operations. Now, at 27, after tons of research, training, experience, becoming aware of our rights being attacked at every opportunity, and being exposed to how much EVIL there is in the world (I trained with LAPD for 4 months. If you've seen what I've seen, and heard what I've heard you wouldn't dare sleep without a handgun under your pillow), I am about as pro-gun as you can be.


Someone with some sense. That's rare in todays world.


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Doldol wrote:
>> ISLAM has killed 270 million worldwide and has been in perpetual war for the last 1,400 years.

https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

I'm not going to debate the other lessons. Obama is a muslim or at least a closet muslim.


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Doldol wrote:
Well I'm Belgian... and my civil liberties are very much intact.

Also communism is in theory/idealistically pretty great. You definitely want some of it, we westerners usually call that part socialism.


That's funny you say that when you can be jailed and/or fined in Belgium for insulting someone.

Communism is shit. The consequences of it have caused more death in this world than anything else ever has. It IS good to have some social programs. Like take care of the sick, the unable, the impoverished. I live in CA, which would be socialist if they could (thank god they can't) and every single socialist ideal they implement makes the state worse, one election at a time.


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