Yeah I’m not gonna bother, don’t want to waste my time if you are just going to pick and choose which setences you read and then ignore the rest. I already explained multiple times why I think the rule should be back to the original version but since you want to keep diverting from what I’m actually saying it’s not worth me responding. Have fun.

Fair enough come back when you learn how to properly and effective communicate your ideas.

Too bad, I hate it anyways. Next

LOL. I said I wasn’t going to reply but if you want to result to weak insults with no substance to them I’d be happy to point out the fact I wasn’t the one that completely ignored certain points or used a strawman and multiple red herrings and then avoided confrontation. Congratulations you have baited me into responding again woohoo.

I’d prefer this thread to stay unlocked so people who actually want to respect and fully understand other people’s opinions (instead of selective reading and twisting/misapplying points) can continue to discuss but I’m not gonna just sit here and let you talk down on my name just because I didn’t like the quality of your responses and suggestions (sorry Staff+ in advance).

“You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.” - John Viscount

Also to anyone else I’m still open to discussion on wardays as long as there isn’t any twisting of words or fallacious bullshit.

Dude its okay you dont have to prove anything, its just my opinion that u cant effectively communicate. I'll pm you instead if you feel the need to so we dont blow up this thread with all this garage. Come talk to me in teamspeak too if you would like to learn something.

(˵ ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉˵)ᓄ✂ --thisthread--

Suggest calming it down and staying on topic from this point forward. Consider this the warning.

Anyways, I’m not really sure why people are obsessed with this idea that CTs are playing at some sort of massive disadvantage on a warday. Each side has its advantages/disadvantages and they accepted these when they chose their team. Here are all the advantages I can think of that each team normally has on a warday:

CTs
- Called the war, the war was their choice
- Chose the location
- Chose which weapons they wanted first (ex limited supply of AWPs)
- They hold angles on pushing Ts until expansion

Ts
- Start with the number advantage due to the 1:2 ratio
- They can camp exits/secrets (only relevant if CTs have to expand)

There may be a few I left off this list and each advantage has a different amount of potency (which can vary with skill) but before skill is factored in it seems relatively fair and regardless by chosing a team players should accept these are what they will have to deal with in the event of a warday. A good CT team can easily cut down the T numbers by playing off these advantages and even in the event of something like a 1v4 a good CT can easily win if they play it out right, it all comes down to SKILL.

This rule indirectly rewards poor play by the CT team because if they don’t kill enough people they continue to hold their advantages, if Ts do well and kill a lot of CTs then they lose their advantage of camping. This rule pretty much rewards CTs for not killing people which at least to me seems against the spirit of a warday. Wardays are still skill based just like a normal skill based game, but during skill based games we don’t usually reward or compensate people for being bad or performing poorly. Not only does this hurt good players, but it also gives good players a reason to do bad so they can have an advantage.

The suggestion where CTs have a certain timeframe to expand is weak and has some big flaws in it. For one good T players will keep camping until the end of the timer, just because CTs can leave earlier won’t stop them from camping or change the fact there is only one exit CTs can leave from. A good T player will wait to teleport until a little bit after 3:30 still just to make sure CTs are out of the area and even if CTs leave earlier it won’t really have much effect on these types of tactics. Changing the time doesn’t really give CTs a chance to use different tactics because it doesn’t change the fact they have to push out at a disadvantage anyways, using different tactics doesn’t change that there is a teleporter or an exit with a bunch of T’s waiting by it all round. I doubt CTs will even use the time because if they are given the opportunity to procrastinate they probably will, simply because of human nature. If CTs are good enough they can just kill the Ts despite the fact the odds may be against them. On top of this if CTs are smart and let the cells auto open at 6, T’s usually won’t get guns until at least somewhere between 5-5:30. If CTs start expanding at 4:30 is 30 seconds or a minute really much of a warday at all? Ultimately this would either do nothing to very little and would just be confusing and difficult to enforce and explain the change.

CTs should be forced to expand at 3:30 just as a given, they should be forced to accept this when they chose the team like they were before and if they aren’t good enough to handle a couple of disadvantages then so be it, we shouldn’t make it easier for them just because they aren’t doing well. Personally like I said before I have no clue why this was voted in or even brought up in the first place. There really weren’t any complaints about it before the change and nobody was really was asking for it either. The only thing I can think of even related to this change was people complaining that T’s should have to push CTs which seems to be generally unaccepted and unwanted by most people who responded here. This really seems like an example of admins making unecessary changes and people bringing up issues that don’t even exist in the first place, it could have sounded good when brought up but clearly has a multitude of underlying problems and complicates things more than it fixes them. The rule wasn’t much trouble in its original state but the new version clearly has problems, why try to keep “fixing” the rule when it was never broken in the first place? If it was working fine how it was why not make things easy and put it back how it was instead of trying to add even more complications?

The “outnumbered clause” is more of a problem than it is a solution and never really should have been added in the first place, there wasn’t much wrong with the original so instead of making things harder than they need to be why not just do the easy solution and put it back how it should have been left?

Disagree. Completely and totally.

You sound like a lil girl CT. Or a kill happy CT. It makes me feel like puking is the best way i could word this.

I am a purest when it comes to Ts. They have no rules. And never should.

Mic spam? Dead T. Run off randomly? Dead T. Too stupid to follow orders? Dead T.

These values dont line up perfectly with server rules.

But the fact that a player doesnt understand these basic core values of being a T... It sickens me.