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 Post subject: EgN's Current State.
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:45 pm 
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Well, In the last 2 days a lot has happened, Dyno was "checking" Jailbreak abused a little to much and said some pretty harsh things to a player on our server, no consequences yet, probably wont be any. "Oh he does this, and that for the server" And? Yes he helps out but why does that make him immune to rules? He is a Advisor for a reason, he earned it and is supposed to keep earning it and working hard. Doesn't mean he is immune to rules or anything, he should have repercussions(But prob wont).
Now today there was a huge thread about "Safe space for talkin" Well a lot of arguing is going on, lean left(Sad to see you go) And who knows what else will happen? Will the thread just get locked like dyno's and never be commented or responded too? Seem's how staff+ like to deal with things. Just push it off till they forget about it. I don't like how the clan is currently. I'm sure a lot of people share this feeling. Staff+ Hide a decent bit of stuff from the community, they don't like everyone knowing everything. I feel like a lot is going to happen soon and a few people might leave.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:53 pm 
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Theres been so many moments in the community where, "OH I HATE THIS HIGHER UP, IMMA LEAVE! YEAH THAT'LL SHOW'EM!"

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:57 pm 
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Theres been so many moments in the community where, "OH I HATE THIS HIGHER UP, IMMA LEAVE! YEAH THAT'LL SHOW'EM!"

Doesn't work like that.

I don't dislike any higher ups currently. I think how some act sometimes are dumb. I think that there should be repercussions for doing something wrong. A Advisor of our clan broke one of the big rules we enforce, doesn't matter of his vocabulary or anything. There is a lot of arguments going on in our clan currently. Young lean left because he didn't agree with something. I don't think he was trying to say " that'll show'em" It was more of a I don't agree with this so i'm just not going to be apart of it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:03 am 
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The threads were left open long enough for many people to get their say in. Even in a section where posting was against the rules for non-witnesses, the thread was left open for 6 pages, as staff allowed it to happen for discussion anyway.

It's my understanding that everyone is free to join the teamspeak server and voice their concerns. There are many different staff members, you're trying to make it seem as though Dyno is the only one with any equity, which is frankly not true.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:04 am 
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I lost brain cells from this post, Not even gonna lie.
The reason Dynos complaint got locked was because it started to get out of hand, you’re correct that staff+ aren’t dealing with it because me personally I thought the community would know that Advisors out rank Staff but if it’s news we haven’t shared to you guys let’s just say NO we can’t deal with their situations. ( Matt is currently handling and reviewing however he is busy with life just like anyone else.)
Stop being paranoid Staff+ are literally only hiding situations that doesn’t require the community’s feedback (Promos, admin, threats to the community).
The worst part about this thread is you’re not targeting 1/2 Staff but the entire team!
If you have problems with the way things Staff are handling situations you can always go up to the next level to Advisors Co-L and L.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:24 am 
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I feel as if Dynos comment was very unprofessional and not what an Advisor+ should be saying to a member no matter how dumb the post was. The post did get out of hand and it was 100% a good idea to lock the post. I agree that there should be limits to what the Staff+ can do, and there were a fair amount of limits. Now I haven’t seen anything any of the Staff+ have done in months, and I don’t really care about what they did or didn’t do, but they have worked hard to be where they are. They know to be responsible when they need to be. If Kharn has a problem with Dyno’s behavior, you would have seen action being taken. If you didn’t, then Kharn has no opinion on it. So you can take that info and do as you please with it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:42 am 
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EgN is perfectly fine lol.

Speaking from experience, it is pretty easy to blow stuff off or ignore it as a staff+, even with all the time in the world and nothing else to do its not hard to just let something sit there and hope someone else handles it or respond but not do anything. That being said, it is just as easy, if not much easier to think that you have it all figured out and if you were staff you would make sure everything is taken care of and dealt with. When you first get promoted to Staff it’s like a whole new world, you have all these “cool”, “new” things to do for the clan and you think to yourself, this is pretty cool, I don’t see how anyone can be lazy enough to not handle this. Then a few weeks pass by and you start to progressively care less and less and everything starts to be come less exciting than it was when you first were promoted. Not to say staff are lazy and good for nothing, but it isn’t like how you think it is being a staff. Obviously stuff has to be done and there really is no justification for being lazy but there is more to it than what meets the eye.

If you really think you have it all figured out and want to be a staff+ or at least have your ideas taken seriously, it’s gonna take time. In a perfect world, everyones feedback would be taken into account and it would be applied right away, but thats just how it is. I spent almost two years giving my feedback and opinion on everything and it was either ignored or not taken seriously for a long time until people saw something in me and realized maybe the stuff I was saying wasn’t so dumb after all. People will always see you on your “high horse” as AJ likes to put it until they see that you aren’t talking out of your ass and actually have the ethos to back yourself up. People simply won’t think you are great until they see you be great. This isn’t really directed towards anyone specifically, but if you really want to have your ideas be taken into consideration, be persistent and eventually people will start to see what you have in you. If you actually have potential, people will notice eventually.

Recent events could have unfolded much worse than they did, and seeing some stuff really just assures that EgN is fine. We have a very popular server that is still seeing success even though Counter Strike is dying and even when that server was down, the core of the population went to the minigames server and waited there until it was fixed. Most of the time people would have just left and moved on to another server, but the fact they stayed around speaks volumes.

A lot of true stuff has been said the last few days, but a lot of stuff also has been blown out of proportion. Nothig is wrong, it will just take a bit for things to blow over.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:10 am 
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To be honest, Cooper already said it, but really there isn't much that has changed within the past couple days that hasn't already been occurring since EGNs been around. May not be the greatest management but definitely isn't as bad as it seems, has definitely been blown out of proportion. Especially the Dyno situation, though Dyno could have also said "fuck it, my bad, uncalled for". Like the Staff team hasn't fallen apart, neither has the community. We can improve in every way of course, but really just takes a lota talk & time.

But also it's also been a day(?) since the report, so don't expect a response too soon. Just takes time especially being a complaint on an Advisor.

Also, I don't doubt that Dyno won't get some sort of punishment neither do I find it necessary, really he should just recognise that he probably shouldn't have said it regardless of the reasons.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:35 am 
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To be honest, Cooper already said it, but really there isn't much that has changed within the past couple days that hasn't already been occurring since EGNs been around. May not be the greatest management but definitely isn't as bad as it seems, has definitely been blown out of proportion. Especially the Dyno situation, though Dyno could have also said "fuck it, my bad, uncalled for". Like the Staff team hasn't fallen apart, neither has the community. We can improve in every way of course, but really just takes a lota talk & time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:36 am 
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Needy wrote:
To be honest, Cooper already said it, but really there isn't much that has changed within the past couple days that hasn't already been occurring since EGNs been around. May not be the greatest management but definitely isn't as bad as it seems, has definitely been blown out of proportion. Especially the Dyno situation, though Dyno could have also said "fuck it, my bad, uncalled for". Like the Staff team hasn't fallen apart, neither has the community. We can improve in every way of course, but really just takes a lota talk & time.
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