Should Papa Johns be unbanned?

Young Lean · **Posted:** Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:35 am

Roaxes wrote:

Young Lean wrote:

Roaxes wrote:

I think we should donate money to get someone unbanned as we did with dhack. I actually like that system. If the person you want unbanned continues breaking rules, that's your own money. Gives a reason to think about if the guy you want unbanned will be a waste of money or not.

Why make members pay money to keep their community alive?
The Dhack situation was pretty rare, but he did intentionally MFK so there's really no way to reason with that with anything other than your wallet.
The perm ban on Papa J was for being generally toxic, but who's to say anyone else felt that way?
That's one person making a decision that is impacting the rest of the community in a large way.
Think of it this way, would you rather play in a server with a bunch of dull people who never break rules, but in turn have no personality?
Or would you rather play in a server with diverse people who like to joke around, sometimes going to far but being kept in check by admins.

Okay if we don't do that, maybe Papajohns should decide by himself if he wants to be unbanned, and make an ACTUAL ban protest with real effort unlike his previous ones. You guys are fighting for a person who doesn't even bother to try get himself unbanned.

But looking at his past 'attempts', if you're so sure he would be beneficial to our servers, perhaps you should put your own money on the table donating to the clan to actually contribute to the server in exchange for him being unbanned and hope hes the saint you dream of him as being.

In short, it's PapaJohns choice to be unbanned, not other people just because they 'like' him when we just ban hundreds of others for the same reasons without no hope of coming back unless they make their own well thought out protest ban.

Seems that you don't understand we're challenging the reasoning behind a perm ban, not trying to say he's any sort of saint.
Papa Johns doesn't care enough to make a proper ban appeal because he understands that the grounds for it were rediculous to begin with.
The morale of our community could use a lot more help than our money situation, but I don't expect someone who spends a few hours a month(if that) in JB to understand that.

Mr.GoldGames · **Posted:** Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:36 am

Roaxes wrote:

Young Lean wrote:

Roaxes wrote:

I think we should donate money to get someone unbanned as we did with dhack. I actually like that system. If the person you want unbanned continues breaking rules, that's your own money. Gives a reason to think about if the guy you want unbanned will be a waste of money or not.

Why make members pay money to keep their community alive?
The Dhack situation was pretty rare, but he did intentionally MFK so there's really no way to reason with that with anything other than your wallet.
The perm ban on Papa J was for being generally toxic, but who's to say anyone else felt that way?
That's one person making a decision that is impacting the rest of the community in a large way.
Think of it this way, would you rather play in a server with a bunch of dull people who never break rules, but in turn have no personality?
Or would you rather play in a server with diverse people who like to joke around, sometimes going to far but being kept in check by admins.

Okay if we don't do that, maybe Papajohns should decide by himself if he wants to be unbanned, and make an ACTUAL ban protest with real effort unlike his previous ones. You guys are fighting for a person who doesn't even bother to try get himself unbanned.

But looking at his past 'attempts', if you're so sure he would be beneficial to our servers, perhaps you should put your own money on the table donating to the clan to actually contribute to the server in exchange for him being unbanned and hope hes the saint you dream of him as being.

In short, it's PapaJohns choice to be unbanned, not other people just because they 'like' him when we just ban hundreds of others for the same reasons without no hope of coming back unless they make their own well thought out protest ban.

This

Doldol · **Posted:** Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:22 pm

Bourne/Jimmah will make a final comment as they invoked his current ban, please be patient. :3

Edit: Maybe also think about this: If you think Papa Johns shouldn't have been banned, realize he was banned for breaking the rules. So make an effort to change the rules to reflect this? So Papa Johns and other people who are like him won't be banned in the future?

Bourne · **Posted:** Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Young Lean wrote:

So in light of recent posts claiming that being the people of this community means staff+ are supposed to serve us and our desires as a collective

OOO FUCK NO! They don't serve you, they help running the community as smooth as possible, they are not your(the members) servants, they are basically moderators of the community! They sort out problems, you don't tell them how and what to do!
You FUCKING ask, NICELY.

SemiAutoNoob wrote:

I vote that we start letting members nominate a person they want unbanned and then staff unban's that person no questions asked.

Agree with Lunk punishments are nesissary but why are we trying to kill our community based around video games. Staff is litteraly destroying the community one perm ban at a time

OOO yeah because the community is making such a lovely choice in who gets to join the community. Let's face it, mostly the voting thing is a popularity contest instead of actually the best. So no.

Saying this again and hopefully for the last time, PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!
If he comes and protest his ban on his own we will look at it. Just how it is. If he really wanted to be here he would do it himself!!!!! Until then the ban stands. Also telling someone to do that is just fucked up and not funny at all imo.

Kharn · **Posted:** Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:43 pm

Roaxes wrote:

Okay if we don't do that, maybe Papajohns should decide by himself if he wants to be unbanned, and make an ACTUAL ban protest with real effort unlike his previous ones. You guys are fighting for a person who doesn't even bother to try get himself unbanned.

But looking at his past 'attempts', if you're so sure he would be beneficial to our servers, perhaps you should put your own money on the table donating to the clan to actually contribute to the server in exchange for him being unbanned and hope hes the saint you dream of him as being.

In short, it's PapaJohns choice to be unbanned, not other people just because they 'like' him when we just ban hundreds of others for the same reasons without no hope of coming back unless they make their own well thought out protest ban.

This.

I'd seriously consider doing the Pay-to-Unban as long as everyone agreed too it, it would really benefit EgN to have a better savings going. We could do our own MC server or even consider a site-wide redesgin, and who wouldn't like to see this place get a face lift?

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