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| Author: | Doldol [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can anyone convince me there is an objective morality? |
Hank Hell wrote: Morality is a human construct but not a human-made construct it is somehow emergent in our society. What do you mean with "somehow emergent", do you mean it spontaneously occurs within any human civilization, do you have any proof of this? In a sense I agree though that it most likely evolves from our sense of what we want and don't want, from that we can consider things and ideas good or bad, morality is the same but systematized, so it can be more universalized, (applied to a group). But that's pretty irrelevant in the context of absolute morality, as this applies to every thing we want/do. Even if true that doesn't mean it's innately good or bad, so it's not because it exists from human (group) subconsciousness it is good, objective or should be followed.(or I have seen no evidence proving the contrary) And of course everyone wants other things, so who gets to decide what is good or bad? If you advocate to average the group, why should this be done? |
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| Author: | Doldol [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can anyone convince me there is an objective morality? |
Hey after coming back to this (and uh, re-watching Psycho-Pass) I feel like I can answer my own question (somewhat), an objective morality would be the decisions of a conceptual system which can in real-time track and understand 100% the will of all human beings, it's absolute in the sense that whatever it is asked, it can 100% represent the will of humanity, but only in that moment. |
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| Author: | Tricky [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can anyone convince me there is an objective morality? |
Doldol wrote: (and uh, re-watching Psycho-Pass) I completely argee |
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| Author: | Mr. Simplistic [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can anyone convince me there is an objective morality? |
Doldol wrote: Hey after coming back to this (and uh, re-watching Psycho-Pass) I feel like I can answer my own question (somewhat), an objective morality would be the decisions of a conceptual system which can in real-time track and understand 100% the will of all human beings, it's absolute in the sense that whatever it is asked, it can 100% represent the will of humanity, but only in that moment. i dunno, even if people agree to want and kill someone i think they would still consider it immoral |
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| Author: | Doldol [ Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can anyone convince me there is an objective morality? |
Mr. Simplistic wrote: Doldol wrote: Hey after coming back to this (and uh, re-watching Psycho-Pass) I feel like I can answer my own question (somewhat), an objective morality would be the decisions of a conceptual system which can in real-time track and understand 100% the will of all human beings, it's absolute in the sense that whatever it is asked, it can 100% represent the will of humanity, but only in that moment. i dunno, even if people agree to want and kill someone i think they would still consider it immoral It would be conceivable that system would never make that decision, or maybe only in cases where killing someone is unavoidable. And in other words I'm only talking about an absolute moral authority for a group, not for the individual. That group could be humanity. |
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