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 Post subject: Re: Taking Warden Solo
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:50 am 
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Huh? There was only one CT on the team, and the only one who could warden in fact. If you remember before we had this plugin, it was a fight to get warden, continuous talking over each other. This plugin solved that, and in fact I see it if only one CT on the team alive, why waste that time and type !w when there's no one else to take it? I get that it's to get people in the order of doing it, making it continuous, but at the time depending on if they actually are giving orders but didn't do !w as the only CT, then should the be an issue? Should I stop and say "Oh, all your orders are invalid, you didn't take !w" when as essentially their the only CT and still doing their role by maintaining orders are given(?). I might be wrong, but this is how I see it, and really, it's still progressing the round. By stopping them and forcing them to type !w I'd see that not progressing, as it'll just disrupt players. "Oh, but I'm the only CT? Why would I need to take warden if there's no other CT to take it?"



by this logic.....why make people take warden when there is multiple CT's playing but it is clear who is giving orders?
or when no other CT has a mic, why should he take warden?

the plugin is meant to give clarity of who is warden and who gives orders, it's meant to be used.....
and why waste 1 second (or no waste of time at all if u have it binded) on typing !w, right?
not like it makes it clear orders are valid and that the T's have no way to argue about the reason to kill or that they got freekilled.

and if they dont feel like giving 1 second for typing !w they don't deserve warden in my opinion, not that much to ask, is it?
and i have told people multiple times to type the !w so he can give orders and it never really disrupted the game/round since the players did the orders anyway. it's just a detail to make sure no confusion is caused.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:54 am 
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Yiggles Moto wrote:
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I think we need this to be more clear because i hear people say that you dont have to, and i dont really have any proof of it.
Even central said: "(ALL) EgN-S| Central: Personally, I'd say they don't have to because there isn't any other CT who can take the warden anyways" so i just wanted to make sure because it sounded like he didnt know the answer exactly aswell.

not to throw central on the bus. But the phrase "i've asked a staff and he/she says its okay to do" is already echoing in my head on this matter :)


I'd say for the sake of being consistent you should be taking warden even if you're the only person alive/on the team. Any T that is killed can argue you weren't the warden, because when they did !w it said there was none.

So yes, take !w even if you're the only CT there.


It takes almost no time to write !w (especially since a lot of people just have it bound to a key now). For consistency of the rules (and not adding exceptions in every single new scenario) if you don't type !w, you aren't warden.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:01 pm 
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Central wrote:
Huh? There was only one CT on the team, and the only one who could warden in fact. If you remember before we had this plugin, it was a fight to get warden, continuous talking over each other. This plugin solved that, and in fact I see it if only one CT on the team alive, why waste that time and type !w when there's no one else to take it? I get that it's to get people in the order of doing it, making it continuous, but at the time depending on if they actually are giving orders but didn't do !w as the only CT, then should the be an issue? Should I stop and say "Oh, all your orders are invalid, you didn't take !w" when as essentially their the only CT and still doing their role by maintaining orders are given(?). I might be wrong, but this is how I see it, and really, it's still progressing the round. By stopping them and forcing them to type !w I'd see that not progressing, as it'll just disrupt players. "Oh, but I'm the only CT? Why would I need to take warden if there's no other CT to take it?"

The !w plugin was added to address who is / was warden at the time. It's the only thing on the server that addresses who the warden is removing the "I'm warden" factor. Typing !w in chat takes half-a-second, so don't necessarily see it as wasting time. To come from your understanding, yes, if you're the only CT alive and/or on the team then it should be without question who the warden is. But if we're basing it off the plugin, and why it's there, the T's technically have the right to refuse to follow orders. The middle is the safest place to be, so why not stay there. Don't try to reason around something that can easily be done in the matter of seconds.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:02 pm 
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Huh? There was only one CT on the team, and the only one who could warden in fact. If you remember before we had this plugin, it was a fight to get warden, continuous talking over each other. This plugin solved that, and in fact I see it if only one CT on the team alive, why waste that time and type !w when there's no one else to take it? I get that it's to get people in the order of doing it, making it continuous, but at the time depending on if they actually are giving orders but didn't do !w as the only CT, then should the be an issue? Should I stop and say "Oh, all your orders are invalid, you didn't take !w" when as essentially their the only CT and still doing their role by maintaining orders are given(?). I might be wrong, but this is how I see it, and really, it's still progressing the round. By stopping them and forcing them to type !w I'd see that not progressing, as it'll just disrupt players. "Oh, but I'm the only CT? Why would I need to take warden if there's no other CT to take it?"

The !w plugin was added to address who is / was warden at the time. It's the only thing on the server that addresses who the warden is removing the "I'm warden" factor. Typing !w in chat takes half-a-second, so don't necessarily see it as wasting time. To come from your understanding, yes, if you're the only CT alive and/or on the team then it should be without question who the warden is. But if we're basing it off the plugin, and why it's there, the T's technically have the right to refuse to follow orders. The middle is the safest place to be, so why not stay there. Don't try to reason around something that can easily be done in the matter of seconds.

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Huh? There was only one CT on the team, and the only one who could warden in fact. If you remember before we had this plugin, it was a fight to get warden, continuous talking over each other. This plugin solved that, and in fact I see it if only one CT on the team alive, why waste that time and type !w when there's no one else to take it? I get that it's to get people in the order of doing it, making it continuous, but at the time depending on if they actually are giving orders but didn't do !w as the only CT, then should the be an issue? Should I stop and say "Oh, all your orders are invalid, you didn't take !w" when as essentially their the only CT and still doing their role by maintaining orders are given(?). I might be wrong, but this is how I see it, and really, it's still progressing the round. By stopping them and forcing them to type !w I'd see that not progressing, as it'll just disrupt players. "Oh, but I'm the only CT? Why would I need to take warden if there's no other CT to take it?"

The !w plugin was added to address who is / was warden at the time. It's the only thing on the server that addresses who the warden is removing the "I'm warden" factor. Typing !w in chat takes half-a-second, so don't necessarily see it as wasting time. To come from your understanding, yes, if you're the only CT alive and/or on the team then it should be without question who the warden is. But if we're basing it off the plugin, and why it's there, the T's technically have the right to refuse to follow orders. The middle is the safest place to be, so why not stay there. Don't try to reason around something that can easily be done in the matter of seconds.

Okay, I understand that now, thanks Needy!

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