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This is my opinion on the matter - I believe the "before T's could not refuse if teams were uneven (as there was no rule for it) but now i see it being argued that you can." derives from things like "No Favoritism" where you could argue if the warden splits teams unevenly he's showing favoritism to the larger team. Not as stemming from the "no hacking, scripting, breaking role-play or anything considered unfair."

That rule is meant to stop things like: outside programs/custom skins/hacks to cause unfair gameplay. Including exploits like a spray on a glass wall making it a 1-way, jumping in a small area to clip through the map and see the enemy, etc. I personally don't think it was meant to extend to gameplay.

viewtopic.php?f=167&t=31188&p=301956&hilit=tobi#p301956

Don't just drop a link and say nothing. Explain what you're trying to say.

Well if you click the link it pretty explicity says CT’s aren’t allowed to use one ways because that would break this rule and would be “unfair”. I think at one point Tricky’s original reponse said he talked to you about and you guys came to this conclusion together but I think he edited it for some reason (I remember this pretty clearly but I could be mistaken).

If I am not mistaken similar logic is applied to the helicopter on summer, it’s considered a secret because it would be “unfair” from a gameplay perspective since T’s can’t really reach CTs or get then down when they are up there.

Another example of clearly unfair gameplay would be the lazer on outer space if it weren’t in armory. To give more context Simplistic was trying to argue CTs could use it if it weren’t in armory, I said no because it was considered a map ability / secret, Link was on the server and responded with something along the lines of “LOL no it’s not allowed because its in arnory not because it’s a secret.” So I furthered my point by saying it would break this rule based on Tricky’s post on the complaint on Tobi. My point was if CT’s can’t use intended oneways because they are unfair an instakill lazer which makes them virtually invincible would fall into the same category. This was a hypothetical but it was spurred on by the fact people were saying CTs couldn’t use it only because it’s in armory which contradicts the reason the helicopter is a secret and the reason why Tricky said one ways were disallowed for CTs.

See, all I wanted you to do was use your words and express your opinion.

It still doesn't matter to what I said - Because that's how I view it in my opinion. Not how it's enforced/the rules define it. Posts like Tricky's define that (official responses saying "Do this." Not posts sharing my opinion to everyone else to spark discussion.

Well something you have to take in account is as Staff+ people hold your opinion to a higher standard, I knew you weren’t saying that’s how it’s enforced but usually most people are going to read your opinion and jump to a conclusion, I was really just trying to offer some balance or point out instances where other Staff+ interpreted it differently just to try to prevent people from drawing conclusions based on what you said if that makes sense.

As for this discussion I’m almost certain it will go down the path of “We need more specific rules that adresss every single issue” like it did on the server, just like the recent talk about the spray rule. I probably should have given my opinion so more people could see it and contribute to the discussion but I’ve already about it pretty extensively if you couldn’t tell from all the sneak dissses.

Author:	Yiggles Moto [ Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: anything unfair?
Cooper wrote: Yiggles Moto wrote: Spoiler: Show Cooper wrote: Yiggles Moto wrote: Cooper wrote: Yiggles Moto wrote: This is my opinion on the matter - I believe the "before T's could not refuse if teams were uneven (as there was no rule for it) but now i see it being argued that you can." derives from things like "No Favoritism" where you could argue if the warden splits teams unevenly he's showing favoritism to the larger team. Not as stemming from the "no hacking, scripting, breaking role-play or anything considered unfair." That rule is meant to stop things like: outside programs/custom skins/hacks to cause unfair gameplay. Including exploits like a spray on a glass wall making it a 1-way, jumping in a small area to clip through the map and see the enemy, etc. I personally don't think it was meant to extend to gameplay. viewtopic.php?f=167&t=31188&p=301956&hilit=tobi#p301956 Don't just drop a link and say nothing. Explain what you're trying to say. Well if you click the link it pretty explicity says CT’s aren’t allowed to use one ways because that would break this rule and would be “unfair”. I think at one point Tricky’s original reponse said he talked to you about and you guys came to this conclusion together but I think he edited it for some reason (I remember this pretty clearly but I could be mistaken). If I am not mistaken similar logic is applied to the helicopter on summer, it’s considered a secret because it would be “unfair” from a gameplay perspective since T’s can’t really reach CTs or get then down when they are up there. Another example of clearly unfair gameplay would be the lazer on outer space if it weren’t in armory. To give more context Simplistic was trying to argue CTs could use it if it weren’t in armory, I said no because it was considered a map ability / secret, Link was on the server and responded with something along the lines of “LOL no it’s not allowed because its in arnory not because it’s a secret.” So I furthered my point by saying it would break this rule based on Tricky’s post on the complaint on Tobi. My point was if CT’s can’t use intended oneways because they are unfair an instakill lazer which makes them virtually invincible would fall into the same category. This was a hypothetical but it was spurred on by the fact people were saying CTs couldn’t use it only because it’s in armory which contradicts the reason the helicopter is a secret and the reason why Tricky said one ways were disallowed for CTs. See, all I wanted you to do was use your words and express your opinion. It still doesn't matter to what I said - Because that's how I view it in my opinion. Not how it's enforced/the rules define it. Posts like Tricky's define that (official responses saying "Do this." Not posts sharing my opinion to everyone else to spark discussion. Well something you have to take in account is as Staff+ people hold your opinion to a higher standard, I knew you weren’t saying that’s how it’s enforced but usually most people are going to read your opinion and jump to a conclusion, I was really just trying to offer some balance or point out instances where other Staff+ interpreted it differently just to try to prevent people from drawing conclusions based on what you said if that makes sense. As for this discussion I’m almost certain it will go down the path of “We need more specific rules that adresss every single issue” like it did on the server, just like the recent talk about the spray rule. I probably should have given my opinion so more people could see it and contribute to the discussion but I’ve already about it pretty extensively if you couldn’t tell from all the sneak dissses. But you see how without saying stuff like this it might not come acrossed as that? I provided my opinion because I share how I view it, which may in turn lead to people wanting some sort of change in the next admin meeting or a discussion around why it is the way it is. Thanks for providing context to your post now.

Author:	Terminator [ Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: anything unfair?
The rule kinda speaks for itself,no? "Or anything considered unfair" saying ANYTHING that's unfair isn't allowed. So if u were saying "1v6 soccer letsgo" people could refuse because it is unfair. And not only the 1 guy could refuse but also the 6 guys since teammates are ussualy a liability in games. Example: we play volleyball on carcerous and I ask if i can play 1v7 in volleyball and warden allows it. This could be refuse by the bigger group based on the fact that teammates block u and will cause u to lose. And same goes for soccer matches. If u wanna create random teams just putt skins together and than it's ussualy fair. They chose their own skin after all. And if the teams are off by 1 or 2 just do a trivia real quick. Just try to keep it fair and have it played like u would want to play it. If u do that u are ussualy good.

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