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Central:

"as I said to you in the server, it's not favouritism, every one still has their turn to go off the diving board, and no one is being secluded or left out for doing so, nor is it refusable as you tried refusing it also."

"By doing one T at a time, it's not favouritising Ts because you want to go last, or first; you all have to participate whether or not it's first, middle, second and/or even last.
I don't see the point why you're making such ban request, it's a game that has been and will be played for a plenty more time."

I think this was centrals main point. Sorry if not.
Also I think he missed the entire point. Even if you go one by one or all at once- the goal is what? Shoot every T. Is this possible? Yes. What is the result? Mass Killing of every T. What happens if T follows the orders and they all get shot and die. Its called mass freekilling. Or am I wrong? Please tell me.

The favoritism aspect Ive already got into on original post just read it. The game is flawed into favoritism in so many different ways.

Original post:
Goal of the game is to shoot each and every T with an OPT. The end result will be all Ts dead if successful. Mass freekilling the entire T team.

Did not get a chance to post this before the reply below. But sounds like im being threatened to shut up.
Read original post link of me being told to post here. I havent even had post up for 10mins before you throw yourself into this with talks of forum bann.
If you would like a reply threat: Cooper, Maybe you should stop wasting your time before something bad happens to you.

Cooper:
"I'd just stop wasting your time cause this post will just get locked anyways and if you keep trying you might get forum banned."

Author:	jilly [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Original post is here but locked. viewtopic.php?f=153&t=31035 Duck hunt is forcing ALL Ts by NAME to go one by one to be shot at with an opt. This game is illegal. It creates/is favortism and mass freekilling. Goal of the game is to shoot each and every T with an OPT. The end result will be all Ts dead if successful. Mass freekilling the entire T team. Some of you will fail to understand so I will make this simple for a child to understand. Goal shoot all Ts with opt. Goal is successful= All ts dead. No LR. No Ts alive. Result = All ts dead. Now the child will say "but they dont all die" or "skill luck based". You cannot predict the future child. Its very possible they all die. The entire point of the game is to kill ALL the Ts at end. A slow mass freekilling. And what if only one T is left who hasnt jumped? Well that makes the problem shine even brighter. Next problem with duck hunt. Favoritism. If first your chances are the worst. If last your chances are the best. The game goes one by one with warden calling out each Ts unique name. If that doesnt signal favoritism then keep reading. If I go LAST in duck hunt and all other Ts have DIED from it: CTs will either freekill me cause I am the last T (who should get LR). Or I get LR. OR they will favor me and not try to hit cause I am only T left. Regardless of ALL of this my chances are very good compared to whoever went first and all the other Ts that went. Add in: Warden can die or rebellers can interrupt mid-game. Leaving those at end of line with added favoritism cause they haven't been called by unique name to go. Now if I was first to go in duckhunt would any of the above mentioned apply to me? No. So last is favored to win. Also to add insult the warden or any ct can go out of way to not hit a player based on how they feel about them or any reason really. Also to add insult warden may know someone is last in line or even pick them last or have the line go in whatever direction to favor a player that is at end of line. Child will say this doesnt happen.... But adult knows this does happen. Not every time and not all of this in one game. But it DOES regardless. Making the game illegal in two different ways. Freekilling and Favortism. * Every game Ts play is designed to have a winner that can live for LR. The goal and purpose of duck hunt is to have no winner. Remember: What is the goal of duck hunt? To kill all the Ts with a opt. That is the actual goal of duck hunt. Question:Can the CTs get this result? Answer: Yes. Result: All ts dead. * And even if you let the last one live who has not jumped that is favoritism. If you kill the last one that is mass freekilling entire T team. Just slowly one by one each unique player named called out to be shot. Children cannot understand the difference and will hide behind the excuse of: skill, luck, chance, "that wont happen". It will happen child, you know why? Because it is possible. Now if i wanted to create a game based around the result of: All ts dead. I think i would play it like this: Line all Ts up shoulder to shoulder. Turn my back to them and turn back around quickly. First T i find on my crosshair dies. Repeat every 20secs until each T dies. This would have the same result as duckhunt. All ts dead. It is possible to get this result while having some sort of so-called random picking. Many other random games can be made up like this. Another game like duckhunt. Line Ts up shoulder to shoulder. Start from left to right and pick a T to stand on spray. Order that unique player name to jump up and down constantly. Then I will fire my opt right above where the t is standing after exactly 5secs. If the T happens to get hit while jumping up and down that i just ordered him to do constantly, it is okay. If he doesn't get killed he goes back in line. Then we repeat all the way down the entire T line. Maybe we stop after all Ts have gone or we just repeat until all Ts dead. Question:Is it possible I could kill all the Ts like this? Answer: Yes. Result: All Ts dead. Add so called randomness to when each T goes and how/when they die. Goal: hit all Ts with opt. Its exactly like duck hunt in ever step basically. Adults please remove this game and bann for it. If we happen to have children as admin... Id like to add or get approval for this game to be played immediately. Game to add: "Another game like duckhunt. Line Ts up shoulder to shoulder. Start from left to right and pick a T to stand on spray. Order that unique player name to jump up and down constantly. Then I will fire my opt right above where the t is standing after exactly 5secs. If the T happens to get hit while jumping up and down that i just ordered him to do constantly, it is okay. If he doesn't get killed he goes back in line. Then we repeat all the way down the entire T line. Maybe we stop after all Ts have gone or we just repeat until all Ts dead." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. I never got an answer if i could play that game i just made up. 2. Many of the replies were already answered in my post. (ill go thru sadly and list off each, this may be painful and take awhile) 3. Slavery has been around for years, means its okay. Is my basic understanding of the lead admins reply to duckhunt.

Author:	Cooper [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Link already told you, this won't change no matter what you say lol. The game isn't biased, you could literally say the same thing about 90% of other games using your logic. The only way this game could be favoritism is if people are forced to go more times than others or more CT's get awps and come and shoot in the middle of the game (which isn't allowed either). I'd just stop wasting your time cause this post will just get locked anyways and if you keep trying you might get forum banned.

Author:	Y S0 S3R10US [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Read the replies in the previous post, I'll address your favouritism point, DUCKHUNT IS NOT FAVOURITISM! All t's have to do the task, which means that it doesn't matter what position you go in, first or last, you will have to do duck hunt. Explain how that is favouritism. It isn't I'm sorry if I am coming off pissed but this was repeatedly stated in the thread you linked. And let me say this. Every single game is supposed to kill t's. Please reread the replies in the previous thread and then alter your post with parts that haven't been answered, so we can answer all your questions and not reiterate the parts that haven't been answered.

Author:	North [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
It's funny how you keep calling people children, it really is. You think you're superior, don't ya? Well welcome to the internet! Where no one gives a shit if you're a fucking 40-year-old man or a 13-year-old kid. You're not superior to anyone. So stop blaming it on the people that you call "children." These "children" know the rules better than you because you think that Duck Hunt breaks rules. Duck Hunt is a skill based game. The CTs must have SKILL to kill the Ts with the AWPs. This is not luck-based, nor is it chance. The game that you explain to us is a blatant way to kill nearly the whole T team EASILY. Duck Hunt is much harder than the game you have explained. In Duck Hunt you are not guaranteed to kill the T. It also breaks no rules like Link said. Ts can be chosen in ANY order as long as EVERY T goes during that warden's reign. If you still think it's against the rules, I'll explain it to where a "child" can understand. Just ask. Just saying, your logic is shit and you're making a fool out of yourself.

Author:	jilly [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Central: "as I said to you in the server, it's not favouritism, every one still has their turn to go off the diving board, and no one is being secluded or left out for doing so, nor is it refusable as you tried refusing it also." "By doing one T at a time, it's not favouritising Ts because you want to go last, or first; you all have to participate whether or not it's first, middle, second and/or even last. I don't see the point why you're making such ban request, it's a game that has been and will be played for a plenty more time." I think this was centrals main point. Sorry if not. Also I think he missed the entire point. Even if you go one by one or all at once- the goal is what? Shoot every T. Is this possible? Yes. What is the result? Mass Killing of every T. What happens if T follows the orders and they all get shot and die. Its called mass freekilling. Or am I wrong? Please tell me. The favoritism aspect Ive already got into on original post just read it. The game is flawed into favoritism in so many different ways. Original post: Goal of the game is to shoot each and every T with an OPT. The end result will be all Ts dead if successful. Mass freekilling the entire T team. Did not get a chance to post this before the reply below. But sounds like im being threatened to shut up. Read original post link of me being told to post here. I havent even had post up for 10mins before you throw yourself into this with talks of forum bann. If you would like a reply threat: Cooper, Maybe you should stop wasting your time before something bad happens to you. Cooper: "I'd just stop wasting your time cause this post will just get locked anyways and if you keep trying you might get forum banned."

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Author:	Cooper [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
jilly wrote: Central: "as I said to you in the server, it's not favouritism, every one still has their turn to go off the diving board, and no one is being secluded or left out for doing so, nor is it refusable as you tried refusing it also." "By doing one T at a time, it's not favouritising Ts because you want to go last, or first; you all have to participate whether or not it's first, middle, second and/or even last. I don't see the point why you're making such ban request, it's a game that has been and will be played for a plenty more time." I think this was centrals main point. Sorry if not. Also I think he missed the entire point. Even if you go one by one or all at once- the goal is what? Shoot every T. Is this possible? Yes. What is the result? Mass Killing of every T. What happens if T follows the orders and they all get shot and die. Its called mass freekilling. Or am I wrong? Please tell me. The favoritism aspect Ive already got into on original post just read it. The game is flawed into favoritism in so many different ways. Original post: Goal of the game is to shoot each and every T with an OPT. The end result will be all Ts dead if successful. Mass freekilling the entire T team. Did not get a chance to post this before the reply below. But sounds like im being threatened to shut up. Read original post link of me being told to post here. I havent even had post up for 10mins before you throw yourself into this with talks of forum bann. If you would like a reply threat: Cooper, Maybe you should stop wasting your time before something bad happens to you. Cooper: "I'd just stop wasting your time cause this post will just get locked anyways and if you keep trying you might get forum banned." I don't think threatening people will help your cause. But a Staff already gave you your answer, so you should probably stop asking. Just a word of advice.

Author:	Y S0 S3R10US [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
jilly wrote: Central: "as I said to you in the server, it's not favouritism, every one still has their turn to go off the diving board, and no one is being secluded or left out for doing so, nor is it refusable as you tried refusing it also." "By doing one T at a time, it's not favouritising Ts because you want to go last, or first; you all have to participate whether or not it's first, middle, second and/or even last. I don't see the point why you're making such ban request, it's a game that has been and will be played for a plenty more time." I think this was centrals main point. Sorry if not. Also I think he missed the entire point. Even if you go one by one or all at once- the goal is what? Shoot every T. Is this possible? Yes. What is the result? Mass Killing of every T. What happens if T follows the orders and they all get shot and die. Its called mass freekilling. Or am I wrong? Please tell me. The favoritism aspect Ive already got into on original post just read it. The game is flawed into favoritism in so many different ways. Original post: Goal of the game is to shoot each and every T with an OPT. The end result will be all Ts dead if successful. Mass freekilling the entire T team. Did not get a chance to post this before the reply below. But sounds like im being threatened to shut up. Read original post link of me being told to post here. I havent even had post up for 10mins before you throw yourself into this with talks of forum bann. If you would like a reply threat: Cooper, Maybe you should stop wasting your time before something bad happens to you. Cooper: "I'd just stop wasting your time cause this post will just get locked anyways and if you keep trying you might get forum banned." Ok it is clear you are being hypocritical by telling us to read your original post, when you don't read ours. Duck Hunt is not favouritism. I would love YOUR personal definition of favouritism. and AS EVERY PERSON HAS SAID BEFORE MOST GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO KILL T'S TO FURTHER THE ROUNDS That is how the game Jailbreak works mate. And yes I am pissed because you are not reading any of our replies. And as North said. Duck hunt is skill based not luck based therefore not refusable. Now please I beg you to read the replies on this and your previous thread.

Author:	Melon [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Ill make a point of it at the next admin meeting. ;)

Author:	Shya [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
duck hunt it literally a way for cts to get kills, it aint luck based at all its skill based by both the t's and ct's. t's have to do tricks in the air good enough to get away from the awp shots ct's have to have good skills with the awp to be able to kill the t's idk if you came from a server that didnt allow duckhunt, but here we do. its been like that for a long time and no one else has complained about it because its a legit game. and usually when admins are on they will deny a game that is favoritism (well i hope they do)

Author:	jilly [ Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Duck Hunt and Related Freekill Games
Terminator: "and by your logic and reasoning we should ban every game. or am i seeing this wrong?" The goal of duckhunt is to: >>>1.Hit every T with an opt bullet in mid air. What would be the result of this? >>>2.All Ts dead from CTs shooting them with opt in mid air. >>>3.No LR. >>>4.Round ends. ???5. Repeat day/return back to steps 1-4. We could repeat this 1-5 endlessly each day. Ontop of that we can add step 6. Step 6 is actually my favorite because it highlights the problem even further. Terminator was talking about this in terms of favoritism but its just the same problem in a different form. >>>6. Have all Ts repeat step 1 until all the Ts have died or we happen to get 1 T left who lived. So if you cant understand steps, basically have the Ts do duckhunt endlessly until they all die or one is left who didnt get hit. MAKE SURE THEY DO IT EQUAL NUMBER of times as well. It is possible 1 T could live thru 10 duckhunt attempts. Its also possible all Ts can die thru 10 duckhunt attempts. ****************************So if none make it thru the 10 attempts this is okay?* Is this the slavery we deem acceptable because we ve done it for years? Or is this wrong? Which one is correct? Admins please help here. ******************************************************************** Step 6 shows my point most of all. If the server/admins is okay with this process, then they are okay with a game that can mass freekill the entire T team that isnt apart of the built in map games that handle the killing part. Player created game: Question: Is the possible end result: all Ts dead for following orders? -Possible in duckhunt If yes. Then bann game If no. Then dont bann game. This shouldnt be that complex as Link had said in original post. Terminator: "breakfloor: a game u play to kill the T's parkour: a game u play to kill T's odd man out: they can talk with eachother to decide the other guy dies cliffhanger: the ct can warn their friend when he's about to fall, also a game u play just to kill T's" breakfloor: is map created DONT BANN parkour: can be map created DONT BANN, if player created BANN (once again can be repeated endlessly for possible all Ts dead)-duckhunt oddmanout: A T lives is the goal. Not related to duckhunt or this topic I dont think. Would be T favoritism which doesnt count. Cliffhanger: This is boarderline, can be abused in a duckhunt way making it possible for abuse. BUT- goal isnt to kill all the Ts. They could be stupid enough to kill themselves- ending in ALL Ts dead. Yes favortism can happen on T side or private msg from ct. But nothing we can do there cept keep it out of public chat/mic. (thank you for the list terminator, cliff was a good one to point out actually)

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