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| Author: | TITTYSPRINKLES. [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
So about 6 months-1 year ago I remember a staff/advisor post on here that said basically saying take one step out of your cell and freeze, is just as good as saying out of cell freeze. For instance if you said "Take a step out of your cell and freeze" and they were already out of their cell they used to be able to ignore you and do what you want because you didnt say "OUT OF CELL freeze". I know that post exists but it will be hell for me to find it. I actually want to say it was Kharn that said it. I haven't heard any updates to this rule since then but I saw some staff enforcing it the other way around today. (Warden said "take a step out, face the back of your cell, and afk freeze, but the cells were already open so staff interpretation was that there were essentially no orders and all kills were freekills, although there werent any freekills and this wasnt an ordeal at all) I'd just like clarification on this rule as I've got what has been written down on record here on the forums vs what a staff says in game. I like to be able to enforce rules consistently to avoid the heckles of being called a badmin. I will keep looking for that forum post in the meantime and update when I find it |
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| Author: | Yiggles Moto [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
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| Author: | TITTYSPRINKLES. [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
That's close, someone in that post is referencing the post I speak of the one where kharn chimes in. Basically im asking is saying "one step out and freeze" the same as saying "out of cell freeze" |
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| Author: | dj7joke [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. |
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| Author: | Needy [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
Well, not sure how it's enforced now but even though I don't particularly agree with the two interpretations of both orders. Just about confuses the server, makes it harder for the CTs (unless they're familiar with how Ts can make a loophole out of anything) / allows Ts to say "well i was already out of my cell so i dont gotta freeze" which is just a increases your desire to kill them even more, but the order "out of cell freeze" is there to be given by the warden for guards / CTs to order any current rebellers that may have taken the tele to garage or portal to the back of pool as initially once that order is given, cells are closed, but you've managed to make it out of your cell you'd have to remain frozen unless stated otherwise and/or until followed by another order i.e "those who are already out of their cells, go back to your original cell and freeze", whatever it may be. It'd still apply to those who are already in their cell too, once you're out of cell, it's simple as said. Remain frozen. Now as for "take a step out of your cell & freeze" it could swing both ways. You could say "well i was already out of my cell so that doesn't apply to me" when an easy way to counter that would to simply say "all T's freeze" / "out of your cell & freeze" followed with "one step out and freeze" where that'd apply to everyone whether they are already out of your cell or not, to freeze. But regardless, the order freeze applies to every T, if warden were to say "one step out of your cell and freeze" but you're already out of your cell, you've already take plenty of steps before that order was given so just freeze. Just because you've already taken a step out of your cell wouldn't mean that it doesn't apply to you. Once that order is given it's implied that all T's should remain frozen once a step is taken out which you've already taken. But anyways, in the end the warden should / just needs to give cleaner and/or more simplified orders so this doesn't happen. |
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| Author: | Needy [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
dj7joke wrote: Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. This is a bit different than just an "implied" order. It's the wording of an order and how it's interpreted. |
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| Author: | Mr. Simplistic [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
dj7joke wrote: Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. Wernt you the one who enforces killing t's who enter armory as an implied rule? Just seems weird that you have a different stance here. |
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| Author: | Sugoni [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
Mr. Simplistic wrote: dj7joke wrote: Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. Wernt you the one who enforces killing t's who enter armory as an implied rule? Just seems weird that you have a different stance here. but isnt entering armory as a T considered rebelling? |
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| Author: | North [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
Sugoni wrote: Mr. Simplistic wrote: dj7joke wrote: Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. Wernt you the one who enforces killing t's who enter armory as an implied rule? Just seems weird that you have a different stance here. but isnt entering armory as a T considered rebelling? Just what I was gonna say. |
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| Author: | Yiggles Moto [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: JB Rule clarification out of cell freeze |
North wrote: Sugoni wrote: Mr. Simplistic wrote: dj7joke wrote: Matt said it himself. “Nothing is implied unless it says it in the rules”. Wernt you the one who enforces killing t's who enter armory as an implied rule? Just seems weird that you have a different stance here. but isnt entering armory as a T considered rebelling? Just what I was gonna say. I mean - Where is this stated? While I agree it probably could/should be a thing I don't see anything (at the moment) that does cover this. |
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