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When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls..

Link wrote:

When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls..

It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is.

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Needy wrote:

dj7joke wrote:

Looking at these stats, overall the minigames server has been gaining more activity and a good amount of it is well over 8 players. Additionally, the server rank has been increasing, therefore that means there is increased consistent activity on the server, meaning that the server population is NOT dead. On the other hand, the lack of players on the minigames server is really the lack of new and fun maps. It is mostly the same old maps, that people play over and over... however, if new maps are added there would be a very likely possibility of increased activity. Now, if people don't like the rtd plugin, they can always grab a couple of people and hope onto some random DEAD minigames server that doesn't have it. Problem solved! tshout

Basically says it. Looked at the same exact site / game tracker. Average (past month): 3 so point proven. Like said, the server gets an average of three players with maybe 8 players on the weekend. Above that during an event. So, you just provided a picture of what I've already included. Now, as for server rank rising, that doesn't really say much other than we're getting above the other dead servers listed in the browser as there are practically 10 (listed in NA) active servers that manage a steady population. Again, said previously, the server doesn't get any population unless "we have an event on it / get some randoms to join from jailbreak."

Also, just to note, yes, completely agree that we probably need a few newer maps instead of the same old rotation. Just need members/players to suggest them.

Besides that, what's the point of having players go to another server that not one of EgN's if they don't like the mod? Why not just find a medium.

Link wrote:

Credit for DJ doing the research lol. Maybe we should fix up somethings before removing one of the main features from our minigames. You guys seem to be using rtd as an excuse to say the servers dead basically. I see much more that could be improved.

Don't plan on removing anything other than adding a new mod that doesn't include firearms.

Also, don't think anyone said the RTD was the reason the server population was dead neither is it true to say so, this is just one of the many improvements you could make. So, why not make it?

I'll have to say that your point is not really proven no more. GameTracker happens to be quiet unreliable when it comes to player count graphs. As you can see from the scans below....

First scan:

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Second scan:

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Third scan:

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Therefore the source we have used for our information is... mediocre at best. As such, it can be established that the average player count is ways off the actual average amount of players.

Mr. Simplistic wrote:

Link wrote:

When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls..

It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is.

Mr. Simplistic wrote:

Link wrote:

When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls..

It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is.

There should be two options then. Not 3 where it splits the voting system up. I see the mistake as option 2 as a separate option compared to 1 and 3 are the same dividing up the votes between the two.

Long story short I’m gonna keep arguing on this one because it’s one of the few changes I’m against. Besides Needy making good points, nobody else has yet convinced me to let it be.

Link wrote:

Mr. Simplistic wrote:

Link wrote:

When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls..

It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is.

There are only 2 ppl who voted for the third option so i dont see how that splits the vote in any meaningful way(assume they voted keep it and still nothing would change). You can keep arguing the point but i think all the points have been made and now its just people choosing what option they think is best. By all means tho if you think what u just wrote will convence anyone to change their mind then more power to you pal.

- Player X rolls, gets a gun and kills helpless enemies on a Multi Game map before a game has been chosen.
- Player X chooses Scout Battle on a Multi Game map but a player has rolled and has an M4A1 for it.
- Froggy Legs on a Multi Game map means you can get to the portal faster, choose bhop and beat it super quick.
- Froggy Legs on Pushcircle means you can bhop faster and see out the round timer without anybody getting close to you. This happened A LOT, despite it being counter-productive and all...
- mg_trains_detach is a knifes-only map with a few grenades where you jump from train to train. Again, if somebody got a gun it broke the map entirely.
- Legocopter is a bad enough map without guns, but with guns it becomes a whole new level of bad.
- There's a map where you're in a pit and two players control two buses, I think it's mg_twotowers. This might be a physics problem but if you got a gun you should shoot the bus from one side of the map to the other with one shot. So people either shot it into the corner and kept it there or they shot it into other people and killed them.

Author:	Mr. Simplistic [ Thu May 03, 2018 7:06 am ]
Post subject:	*Re: RTD Poll RESET* Vote again!**
Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is.

Author:	Needy [ Thu May 03, 2018 7:52 am ]
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Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. Actually it wasn't winning, we were five votes ahead. Just trying to add another option because you made a good point This just puts the two options to remove guns together so it's less chaotic too

Author:	Link [ Thu May 03, 2018 7:58 am ]
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Mr. Simplistic wrote: Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is. There should be two options then. Not 3 where it splits the voting system up. I see the mistake as option 2 as a separate option compared to 1 and 3 are the same dividing up the votes between the two. Long story short I’m gonna keep arguing on this one because it’s one of the few changes I’m against. Besides Needy making good points, nobody else has yet convinced me to let it be.

Author:	Needy [ Thu May 03, 2018 8:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: RTD Poll to Keep / Adjust / Remove
dj7joke wrote: Spoiler: Show Needy wrote: dj7joke wrote: Looking at these stats, overall the minigames server has been gaining more activity and a good amount of it is well over 8 players. Additionally, the server rank has been increasing, therefore that means there is increased consistent activity on the server, meaning that the server population is NOT dead. On the other hand, the lack of players on the minigames server is really the lack of new and fun maps. It is mostly the same old maps, that people play over and over... however, if new maps are added there would be a very likely possibility of increased activity. Now, if people don't like the rtd plugin, they can always grab a couple of people and hope onto some random DEAD minigames server that doesn't have it. Problem solved! Basically says it. Looked at the same exact site / game tracker. Average (past month): 3 so point proven. Like said, the server gets an average of three players with maybe 8 players on the weekend. Above that during an event. So, you just provided a picture of what I've already included. Now, as for server rank rising, that doesn't really say much other than we're getting above the other dead servers listed in the browser as there are practically 10 (listed in NA) active servers that manage a steady population. Again, said previously, the server doesn't get any population unless "we have an event on it / get some randoms to join from jailbreak." Also, just to note, yes, completely agree that we probably need a few newer maps instead of the same old rotation. Just need members/players to suggest them. Besides that, what's the point of having players go to another server that not one of EgN's if they don't like the mod? Why not just find a medium. Link wrote: Credit for DJ doing the research lol. Maybe we should fix up somethings before removing one of the main features from our minigames. You guys seem to be using rtd as an excuse to say the servers dead basically. I see much more that could be improved. Don't plan on removing anything other than adding a new mod that doesn't include firearms. Also, don't think anyone said the RTD was the reason the server population was dead neither is it true to say so, this is just one of the many improvements you could make. So, why not make it? I'll have to say that your point is not really proven no more. GameTracker happens to be quiet unreliable when it comes to player count graphs. As you can see from the scans below.... First scan: Spoiler: Show Second scan: Spoiler: Show Third scan: Spoiler: Show Therefore the source we have used for our information is... mediocre at best. As such, it can be established that the average player count is ways off the actual average amount of players. Wouldn't say it's unreliable, maybe not fully up to date or precise with it's play base but you can see it still tracks the amount of players that went on, there could have been a possibility that those three players dipped from the server before the scan could complete which would make more sense being that the historical data goes up to fifteen. Even if it may be one or two players off it still gives a general basis of how the server is doing which think we can all agree that minigames has a low activity rate. Besides, don't want to focus too much on the population as it's less about the population, more about, this one change.

Author:	Needy [ Thu May 03, 2018 8:24 am ]
Post subject:	*Re: RTD Poll RESET* Vote again!**
Link wrote: Mr. Simplistic wrote: Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is. There should be two options then. Not 3 where it splits the voting system up. I see the mistake as option 2 as a separate option compared to 1 and 3 are the same dividing up the votes between the two. Well, the two options I had before were both very similar but they had a change in whether they were or weren't to be enabled on certain maps. Whereas these three options all actually have a completely different end; keep it how it is, new mod without guns, or new mod with guns. What it seems to come down to. But don't take it as a complete "new mod" more think of it as "improve / add new features to this mod while keeping guns" or "improve / add new features to this mod without guns". Besides, members are allowed to re vote so if someone can convince five members otherwise then it'd probably fall under the first option but pls dont.

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Author:	Mr. Simplistic [ Thu May 03, 2018 8:46 am ]
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Link wrote: Mr. Simplistic wrote: Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is. There should be two options then. Not 3 where it splits the voting system up. I see the mistake as option 2 as a separate option compared to 1 and 3 are the same dividing up the votes between the two. Long story short I’m gonna keep arguing on this one because it’s one of the few changes I’m against. Besides Needy making good points, nobody else has yet convinced me to let it be. There are only 2 ppl who voted for the third option so i dont see how that splits the vote in any meaningful way(assume they voted keep it and still nothing would change). You can keep arguing the point but i think all the points have been made and now its just people choosing what option they think is best. By all means tho if you think what u just wrote will convence anyone to change their mind then more power to you pal.

Author:	Yiggles Moto [ Thu May 03, 2018 9:00 am ]
Post subject:	*Re: RTD Poll RESET* Vote again!**
Mr. Simplistic wrote: Link wrote: Mr. Simplistic wrote: Link wrote: When keep rtd was winning then you reset the polls.. It was only winning because the vote was split between remove rtd, change rtd, and change rtd. Kind of obvious tho so i dont know why think the majority wanted keep it as is. There should be two options then. Not 3 where it splits the voting system up. I see the mistake as option 2 as a separate option compared to 1 and 3 are the same dividing up the votes between the two. Long story short I’m gonna keep arguing on this one because it’s one of the few changes I’m against. Besides Needy making good points, nobody else has yet convinced me to let it be. There are only 2 ppl who voted for the third option so i dont see how that splits the vote in any meaningful way(assume they voted keep it and still nothing would change). You can keep arguing the point but i think all the points have been made and now its just people choosing what option they think is best. By all means tho if you think what u just wrote will convence anyone to change their mind then more power to you pal. I think people are just interested in seeing what new "features" would be implemented in place of removing guns

Author:	Mootinie [ Thu May 03, 2018 11:33 am ]
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Thank you Needy for moving this to let me post. <3 Though I really should just rejoin at this point... Anyway... Server population is a moot point. You guys can rattle off different reasons the population is down until the cows come home, the real reason the server is quiet is because it became EgN's secondary server when Jail Break was re-introduced. Lots of EgN members who were regulars on MG switched to JB (myself included) and/or moved on to different games like Garry's Mod and CS:GO so we lost the player base that used to fill that server. LunaNoshi, RunsWithWolves and Zerka are three I can name off the top of my head that I recall being MG regulars that never really got behind Jail Break and even though many server managers have tried it's always going to be an uphill battle getting Mini Games back to its glory days. The best thing you can do is to create a server that is fun for everybody within EgN to play and try to get a group together every so often that will jump on there. This also isn't about unfair advantages. The idea of the plugin is that sometimes you get something awesome, sometimes you get crippled, that's why rolling the dice is a gamble and you can of course play the server and not even use the plugin if you wish. It's far more about how players use !rtd and make the game less enjoyable for others. Examples listed in the spoiler below: Spoiler: Show - Player X rolls, gets a gun and kills helpless enemies on a Multi Game map before a game has been chosen. - Player X chooses Scout Battle on a Multi Game map but a player has rolled and has an M4A1 for it. - Froggy Legs on a Multi Game map means you can get to the portal faster, choose bhop and beat it super quick. - Froggy Legs on Pushcircle means you can bhop faster and see out the round timer without anybody getting close to you. This happened A LOT, despite it being counter-productive and all... - mg_trains_detach is a knifes-only map with a few grenades where you jump from train to train. Again, if somebody got a gun it broke the map entirely. - Legocopter is a bad enough map without guns, but with guns it becomes a whole new level of bad. - There's a map where you're in a pit and two players control two buses, I think it's mg_twotowers. This might be a physics problem but if you got a gun you should shoot the bus from one side of the map to the other with one shot. So people either shot it into the corner and kept it there or they shot it into other people and killed them. The suggestion that you can always administrate the server to stop such abuse is a valid one. But you'll always be taking action after the fact. Fun is the name of the game here. My suggestion would be to remove the guns and replace these options with more alternatives like lowered and raised gravity, health increases and decreases, keep froggy legs and rabbit legs but maybe see if we can bring some version of the Jetpack back? Maybe decreased visibility, maybe the server slaps you every five seconds in some kind of strange demon possession? :D Maybe your screen gets flipped upside down? Maybe you get given a load of HE Grenades like you're a modern day bomberman? Maybe you can be given another life, like if you die you respawn with one health or something? I don't know how many of these are valid additions but !rtd has merit to the server if it's handled correctly so I voted for the second option. :)

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